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I am going to look into this Wilcat. I had and loaded at one time an 8mm-06. I got a line on a Rem 700 Classic in 8mm Mauser. Anyone else worked up loads in the AI version? Would I be remiss in stabbing the chamber of this rifle? | ||
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If you want an AI by all means go for it. However loaded to equal pressure the AI will give you around 40fps gain. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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x2  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I had the dies for the AI for 12 years or so. Still have a bunch of 185, 200, 150, 175 .323 bullets. There from an my 8mm-06 project. That barrel was not as we say pristine. I do have about 200 fire formed 338-06AI cases. I wonder if they can be necked down to 8mm? Also I figured the 8mm-06 AI would be better beings I have and reload for an '06. | |||
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Like I said if you want an AI for sure build one. Many people build an AI becasue they have heard of the huge gains. Heck I built my first couple of wildcats looking for it as well. If you have dies, brass and are concerned about mixing with the 30-06 then go with the AI. YOu will burn a couple more grs of powder and get a small increase. I have never resized an AI back to std but my guess would be you are opting for a shoulder collapse. As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Further the reason folks make a 8mm-06 is to salvage the original 8X57 milsurp barrel. These vary widely in quality from pretty good to pretty poor. One also quickly discovers that the boiler room consumed by 200 grain 8mm bullets in the 06 case is considerable and the 8X57 case can be loaded long throated. In short the gains of chambering from 8X57 to 8mm-06 are also small. That said the "AI" version does make sense as the 8mm-06 is a wildcat already and one looses very little in going all the way to the AI version. if he's decided to make a wildcat. When this is done, if the accuracy is good you're a winner....if not you'd have been far better off to have gone the route to .338-06 with a new barrel. In short....if economics is the goal, one is best off to maintain the 8X57 chambering as loaded to the 65,000 PSI capability it's a smokin good round. If more power is the goal, add some steel and get a .338-06 or even a .30-06 for that matter. I've never been able to get excited over the 8mm-06 for these reasons. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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 When a guy gives up his walleye Avtar and quotes Winston Churchill weigh what he says veeery carefully.  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Certainly, cant argue with that. Thanks for the reply. I will work loads up in the Rem 700 8x57 for sure. Still have to wait for the same simth to finnish up with another project. So I have plenty of time. I've had a 338-06 AI. That being said, does anyone have real world worked loads for the 8mm-06 and 8mm-06 AI? | |||
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Switching gears, beings I will have time to work 8x57 loads up in this modern Remington rifle. When I did load for the 8x57, which was awhile ago, it was in a fairly good sporterized '43 M98k (23.5"). I dont have any of that data anymore. Powders I remember that I used was IMR4064, 4320, 4895, BLC-2. A search through 42 pages on this site  , on reloading the 8x57, I have gleaned that pretty much stands. I never used varget, IMR 3031 or IMR 4198. I still have 1 box 150 and 1 box 220 Hornadys, 2 box 175 Sierra, 2 box 200 Speer, 1 box 200 Partitions, 1 box 185 Rem CL, and RCBS Dies and 60 or so mixed non-mil brass. Bullets I want to work-up; 195 Hornady, 196 and 250 Woodleighs, and the 196 Norma Vulkan. I prefer the heavier bullets over the 150's. Light bullets just dont float my boat really in any caliber that I have reloaded for. No questions really just general rambling for a good discussion. | |||
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W760 is a very good powder in the 8mm-06. The 185 gr Rem bullet is also very useful in this calibre as are the 175 Sierra and the 200 gr Speer. IMR 4350 is good with heavier bullets like the 220 Hornady. Newer powders like RL 17 and IMR 4007 should also be good with the 175 -200 gr bullets. | |||
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I,myself,have never believed in pushing the same bullet faster than constructed. To me,if more "power" is needed,go up bigger in caliber.I have a 8X57 and 8X63,which is all the current bullets will handle and work properly.If need be, go to a .338,9.3...375 I pray for mud on my boots the day I die... Go see the nights of Africa..... | |||
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404 I'm not sure what bullets you are talking about that will only handle 8x57 or 8x63 velocities. What do the people who have 325 WSM,8mm-338's, 8x68's or 8mm Rem rifles load?? I have used 200 gr Speer bullets, 200 gr Partions, Barnes TSX, Swift A-frames as well as 220 gr bullets from Hornady and Sierra. I have hunted with both the 8mm Rem and an 8x68. In the rem I use the 200 gr TSX. I have never recovered an 8mm TSX bullet but have shot through both elk and moose. One hole in one hole out and the animal never went more than 25 yds. I'd say that worked good enough. The 200 gr Partition is the bullet of choice in my 8x68 with very similar results. There are lots of 8mm bullets out there that will handle increased velocities. | |||
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Yes,but if you add in the mag 8's,why not step up to the more avaiable .338,160-300 grain?More rifles are made. As far as bullets go,I've not had good luck with Barnes accurcy wise,Swifts are really nothing more than a more expensive Partition.I've taken 50 + heads of game with a Partition,including Africa and never had a problem.I load to MY gun,stay in it's accurcy box and it does what is expected.Most AI chambers only push a bullet 100-125fps over a well tuned handload for YOUR rifle.It that really worth the custom dies,making brass and the added wear and tear.And I won't go into the resale factor....Good day I pray for mud on my boots the day I die... Go see the nights of Africa..... | |||
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I'd agree 100%! In fact maybe the only worthwhile performance enhancer to an 8x57 is to alter it to 8x60. As VAPODOG infers the case design of the '06 case is such that it offers in a standard Mauser action no benefit over the standard 8x57 (and certainly not the 8x60) with the bullet seated OUT as intended. Which gives an increase of velocity that is significantly measurable but is it worth it at the cost of the difficult to find Privi Partisan cases? | |||
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With a Remington long action, you wouldn't have to seat a 200 grain bullet deeply because of magazine limitation. There is plenty of room to work with. I use IMR4350 for my 8mm-06. I use 57 grains for the 180 Barnes and 55 grains for the 200 Barnes. | |||
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Anyone seen the CFE data at hogden for the 8x57 150 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon CFE 223 .323" 2.950" 57.0 3054 46,900 CUP 175 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon CFE 223 .323" 3.100" 55.0 2837 47,800 CUP 180 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon CFE 223 .323" 3.020" 52.0 2758 47,500 CUP I wonder if this data was from a 29" test barrel. | |||
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Went and picked up the Rem Classic 8x57 today. What a nice rifle. Suprisingly light. First Remington 700 I've owned. IMO the only thing that would complete it would be iron sights. Yea it is staying the way it is.  Cant wait work up loads in a modern action. | |||
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Enjoy  roger  Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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404, With the advent of the 8mm Rem. Nosler came out with a partition bullet so it will handle anything the wildcats can give it..other than that I agree that bullets should be velocity sinsitive, but some of the new bullets sure have a wide threshold. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I concur that the 8x60 is the optimum case/cartridge length for an original M98 magazine box...plus it has the bebefit of being a current factory loading in Europe... I also believe that properly headstamped brass is available in the USA from at least Grafs. Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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