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9.3 X375 Wea or RUM or 9.3- 338 Lapua?
30 July 2004, 12:37
CanadianLefty9.3 X375 Wea or RUM or 9.3- 338 Lapua?
I have only heard of the 9.3-375 H&H (Hawk?) or a 9.3BS (9.3-8mm rem mag?) and the .366DGW (based I think on a .416 Rigby).
So, has anyone come up with a 9.3 X375 Wea or RUM or 9.3- 338 Lapua? How might they compare to the .366 DGW (about a 250gr @3253fps or 300gr @2911fps- Source: Cartridges o The World, 10th ed.)?
I see an advantage as to increased velocities, slightly less recoil and better S.D.s (with less weight) over reg. 375s with a 9.3 but what are some disadvantages, aside from being a wildcat?
Reasoning would be to have a DG caliber that is flatter shooting and better penetrating than a 375 for use on North american animals (elk, moose, grizzly, brown)and African Plains game. A 9.3 286 gr. Partition� has a B. C.- .482 and S.D- .307
vs. a 375 300 gr. Partition� B.C.- .398 and S.D. .305
Thanks!
30 July 2004, 20:07
Bwana-beThere's the 9.3 Real Guns, or .366 RG whichever, which is the 378 Wb necked down. Google it. He had some pretty insane velocities, as you'd expect. Couple things to consider: 1st, the more powder, the longer barrel you need to reasonably utilize it. A 26" 338 RUM and Lapua run pretty close with 250g and under bullet weights, simply because there's no time to burn all the extra powder well. 2nd, beware the QuickLoad figures in COW, especially when comparing to real load data. He uses various barrel lengths, bullet coatings and pressure max's, that don't compare easily to most data, on top of the dubious efficacy of the program, great or small as it may be.
If you really like the idea, I would consider doing a 9.3x375 RUM, which would give you most of what you're looking for.
30 July 2004, 21:57
Dave JamesWOuldn't the 9.3x375rum basicly be the same as a 9.3x70 which if I understand right is based on the 404Jef round?
30 July 2004, 22:43
CanadianLeftyI did Google it but came up with nothing, however; thanks for the heads up with some great tips on the rest.
Cheers,
CL
31 July 2004, 08:14
CanadianLeftyAhhh...I did find a 358-378 RGs. Maybe that is what you are speaking of...
Dave, you seem to be right! I just checked and the RUM is based on the 404J with a rebated rim. Given that, maybe someone would be better off with the 366 DGW (a directly necked down 416 Rigby) since I believe that the 416 has a large case volume than the 404J.
OK, anyone just have the case volumes (water) of the 404J compared to the 416 Rigby?
31 July 2004, 09:48
<JOHAN>CanadianLefty
Info about 9,3X70. Check Hatari Times. Select guns in the menue and then download the article.
http://www.hataritimes.com/e/index_e.htmlCheers
/ JOHAN
31 July 2004, 09:51
CanadianLeftyYes, very good article. Thanks.
I am learning something new each day.
01 August 2004, 17:21
JefferyDenmarkWhy reinvent the wheel the 9,3X70 magnum is a rare classic Hermann G�ring used it
Cheers,
Andr�
02 August 2004, 08:37
460wbyI have the 9,3 RUM in my collection, but i dont know the ballistics on it.
02 August 2004, 17:10
CanadianLeftyIf I remember the article correctly??, I would never have a cartridge designed by Hitler's friend or colleage...hahah
I am just interested in these wildcats for enjoyment. Let's se what else we 'dig' up on them
02 August 2004, 19:23
<JOHAN>CanadianLefty
You need to read the article again, since it was not designed by Hitlers friend or colleage. If you don't get it read it a few more times
Cheers
/ JOHAN
03 August 2004, 07:38
CanadianLeftyMaybe you guys need to reread the article until you get to the part of text quoted below...
Sure, maybe not designed by him, but possibly somewhat ASSOCIATED WITH HIM--I knew I had seen something linking the cartridge to Hitler
Quote:
The 9,3 x 70 Magnum of Reichsj�germeister Hermann G�ring by Jon Speed
Besides being the head of the German Airforce, Prime Minister
of Prussia, Minister of Civil Aviation, and generally being
Hitler�s most loyal follower during World War II., Hermann G�ring < !--color--> was also an avid hunter and collector of sporting guns
and rifles...
05 August 2004, 00:20
<JOHAN>Quote:
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The 9,3 x 70 Magnum of Reichsj�germeister Hermann G�ring by Jon Speed
Besides being the head of the German Airforce, Prime Minister
of Prussia, Minister of Civil Aviation, and generally being
Hitler�s most loyal follower during World War II., Hermann G�ring was also an avid hunter and collector of sporting guns
and rifles...
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of Civil Aviation, and generally being
Hitler�s most loyal follower during World War II., Hermann G�ring was also an avid hunter and collector of sporting guns
and rifles...
If you think this makes the cartrige a nazi invention, you have managed to really twist your knickers By your "definition" all hunter and arms collectors could be somewhat associated with G�ring... I find your grounds for associating things very crude to say the least.
Cheers
/ JOHAN
05 August 2004, 01:13
CanadianLeftyWell, my knickers (BTW, we don't call em knickers in Canada
aren't twisted...suffice it to say, it is a question of perception of what we read...
If you skim through the article, the title makes it seem that the cartridge is his, then when you reread well...the matter is not significant enough for me to go back to the article again.
Let's call a truce on our initial interpretations and agree that the 9.3X70mm is a fine cartridge that deserves some recognition. Further, a 9.3-375RUM would make an interesting wildcat!
Cheers