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I know that the Finnish 9,3x54r is actually the same round but what I am wondering is since the Mosins are very strong actions what type of velocities could be achieved with a 286 grain bullet in a 9,3x54r loaded to say 62,000 psi and a COAL of say 3.0 inches.

Anybody done this?

Is this something quick load or other programs are capable of calculating? Case capacity would be 63.5 grains of water top of the case mouth.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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DPCD is the man to ask, he has done a lot of playing with them.
 
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Have talked to DPCD already, but don't want to bother him with velocity calculation questions.

Am really most interested in what calcs something like quick load can produced.


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Got one on the bench right now; a Remington 91 with an Oberndorf contour 25 inch barrel, Oberndorf bolt handle, NECG barrel sights. 9.3x54R. I got it to feed like snot on a doorknob by milling out the receiver and mag box.
Just do a quick load thing and you will get the data you want. I don't have it....
And realize that the magazine is very long so you can seat bullets way out; not at the crimp groove. I can give you the OAL but not at this moment.
 
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It is not a wild cat; it is, or was, standard in Finland for moose and CH4D makes dies. I make the expander plugs to form brass. Yes in this country it is a wildcat.
 
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Did a little more research. The 9,3x53r pushes a 256 gr @ 2210 but only at 49,300 psi


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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so does the 358 win.
 
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
......what type of velocities could be achieved with a 286 grain bullet in a 9,3x54r loaded to say 62,000 psi ......Did a little more research. The 9,3x53r pushes a 256 gr @ 2210 but only at 49,300 psi
I would not try to push any cartridge based on the 7.62x54R to 62,000 psi. The rifle may be able to take it but the CIP max avg pressure for the cartridge is 56,565 psi. Expanding and reloading the case will work the brass, thin it, and weaken it, though just how much is a matter of conjecture. I have been loading the .405 Grenadier wildcat to around an estimated 35,000 psi in the Marlin lever rifle and 45,000 psi in the Mosin Nagant. I do so in the Marlin to be kind to the rifle and in the Mosin Nagant to be kind to the cartridge case. I am confident it can go more but I'm also confident you'd be blowing primers long before getting to 60,000 psi.




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Good points


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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Cartridge          : 9.3 x 53 R Fin.
Bullet             : .366, 232, Norma Oryx 69307
Useable Case Capaci: 59.632 grain H2O = 3.872 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.000 inch = 76.20 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

45 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  114,3     65,9     4,27    2827    99,5    62000    8010   1,080  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17                           113,6     65,5     4,24    2815    98,9    62000    7898   1,083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17                 113,6     65,5     4,24    2815    98,9    62000    7898   1,083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 52                  110,2     62,6     4,05    2766    98,8    62000    7376   1,096  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  111,3     63,2     4,09    2763    98,5    62000    7406   1,096  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223                     101,9     62,4     4,04    2763    98,9    62000    7345   1,096  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511                115,0     67,3     4,36    2762    95,1    62000    7720   1,094  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414                       112,6     65,5     4,24    2758    94,2    62000    7642   1,096  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760                     112,6     65,5     4,24    2758    94,2    62000    7642   1,096  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550                    115,0     64,6     4,19    2756    97,0    60367    7659   1,110  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game                   107,8     63,1     4,09    2755    98,4    62000    7313   1,097  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895                           107,4     59,1     3,83    2754    98,8    62000    7350   1,108  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2                      102,4     61,4     3,98    2748    99,4    62000    7228   1,108  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031                           108,8     55,9     3,62    2748   100,0    62000    6602   1,103  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748                      99,9     59,1     3,83    2747    99,8    62000    6981   1,101  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old                      110,7     61,5     3,99    2745    99,3    62000    7206   1,114  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3                         110,7     61,5     3,99    2745    99,3    62000    7206   1,114  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B                         108,8     59,8     3,87    2742    98,7    62000    7254   1,110  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15                 108,2     59,5     3,85    2739    98,3    62000    7266   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11                       108,2     59,5     3,85    2739    98,3    62000    7266   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation         108,2     59,5     3,85    2739    98,3    62000    7266   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  115,0     66,2     4,29    2736    96,9    57349    7632   1,126  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064                      111,3     59,8     3,88    2736   100,0    62000    6794   1,133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903                      113,1     61,5     3,99    2735    99,1    62000    7119   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  115,0     67,3     4,36    2730    95,0    58847    7888   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895                      104,2     57,3     3,71    2726    99,1    62000    7093   1,114  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520                      102,8     59,6     3,86    2726   100,0    62000    6785   1,119  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6                       105,2     59,6     3,86    2726   100,0    62000    6785   1,119  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355                       112,8     60,6     3,93    2725    99,0    62000    7107   1,116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar                  102,4     60,1     3,90    2723    98,6    62000    7116   1,109  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495                      104,9     56,4     3,65    2720   100,0    62000    6499   1,139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H                       104,5     57,4     3,72    2719    98,7    62000    7093   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380                       109,2     61,3     3,97    2716    96,9    62000    7233   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320                           109,8     59,4     3,85    2713    98,4    62000    6977   1,101  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   105,1     59,6     3,87    2712    98,6    62000    7035   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507                101,4     58,1     3,77    2710    99,5    62000    6899   1,113  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321                        99,4     58,8     3,81    2709    99,6    62000    6930   1,118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant AR-Comp                    103,5     55,1     3,57    2706   100,0    62000    6082   1,108  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation      102,9     55,1     3,57    2706   100,0    62000    6082   1,108  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516                105,0     61,5     3,98    2705    96,8    62000    7128   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 50                  107,2     61,3     3,97    2704    97,0    62000    7075   1,114  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540                    107,5     59,7     3,87    2703   100,0    62000    6743   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062                         109,2     58,4     3,78    2703    99,5    62000    6841   1,122  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335                        94,8     56,9     3,69    2702   100,0    62000    6613   1,113  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202                          105,2     56,9     3,69    2700   100,0    62000    6599   1,118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data     108,6     61,6     3,99    2698    97,0    62000    7033   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   94,5     55,5     3,60    2697   100,0    62000    6575   1,117  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530                    100,3     55,4     3,59    2697    99,5    62000    6794   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223)        94,4     55,6     3,60    2696   100,0    62000    6566   1,118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S341                       103,2     61,0     3,95    2694    98,5    62000    6830   1,112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219                         94,5     53,6     3,48    2692   100,0    62000    6376   1,112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322                       100,5     53,6     3,48    2692   100,0    62000    6376   1,112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET                     110,2     58,6     3,80    2689    98,0    62000    6935   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208                        109,8     58,6     3,80    2689    98,0    62000    6935   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201                          105,6     56,8     3,68    2689    99,5    62000    6792   1,129  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR                       102,5     56,3     3,65    2688    99,4    62000    6719   1,116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                91,8     51,8     3,36    2687   100,0    62000    6140   1,118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064                           111,1     57,7     3,74    2683    98,2    62000    6808   1,115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   102,8     60,6     3,93    2683    96,7    62000    6935   1,123  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460                       97,9     57,9     3,75    2681    99,8    62000    6585   1,132  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5                        98,2     57,9     3,75    2681    99,8    62000    6585   1,132  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 40                   96,6     54,1     3,51    2681   100,0    62000    6421   1,118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N135                    115,0     57,3     3,71    2680   100,0    61817    6155   1,121  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R902                      107,6     57,0     3,69    2679    99,4    62000    6698   1,131  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC                        101,5     60,2     3,90    2677    96,2    62000    6985   1,120  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N140                    107,4     57,9     3,75    2674   100,0    62000    6325   1,118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R901                      103,5     54,1     3,50    2672   100,0    62000    6465   1,141  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350                      115,0     63,2     4,10    2671    96,0    53645    7401   1,166  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP                          115,0     62,5     4,05    2667    95,9    54330    7377   1,157  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation       112,3     61,3     3,97    2667    95,7    62000    6856   1,111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.4                        96,4     56,8     3,68    2666    99,8    62000    6468   1,130  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230                       97,2     57,9     3,75    2666    99,1    62000    6588   1,128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         115,0     62,5     4,05    2666    95,9    54278    7373   1,158  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator                99,1     58,2     3,77    2666    98,4    62000    6719   1,123  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation       109,7     60,9     3,94    2666    94,3    62000    6912   1,107  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065                         115,0     61,8     4,01    2665    95,6    60506    7013   1,134  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12                 100,1     56,1     3,64    2661   100,0    62000    6223   1,119  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R907                      113,6     61,3     3,97    2659    93,3    62000    6973   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7                         113,6     61,3     3,97    2659    93,3    62000    6973   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204                          115,0     65,3     4,23    2659    90,1    59355    7239   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter                     115,0     65,3     4,23    2659    93,4    54745    7470   1,155  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC                       110,0     61,3     3,97    2658    93,3    62000    6967   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39             94,8     53,3     3,45    2656   100,0    62000    5828   1,134  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation       103,4     56,4     3,65    2654    98,9    62000    6549   1,120  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2210                         95,1     54,0     3,50    2653    99,7    62000    6426   1,124  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x                 97,9     50,8     3,29    2650   100,0    62000    5973   1,132  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI BM2                             93,0     54,5     3,53    2645    99,7    62000    6371   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Benchmark                  101,1     54,7     3,55    2645    99,7    62000    6384   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S060                         103,9     55,6     3,60    2641    98,6    62000    6499   1,124  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2015                      100,7     52,9     3,43    2640   100,0    62000    5913   1,137  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2200                       92,3     51,5     3,34    2639   100,0    62000    6216   1,124  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070                         115,0     62,5     4,05    2638    93,5    57272    7095   1,157  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206                        103,1     56,1     3,63    2632    98,9    62000    6414   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S335                       104,7     56,3     3,65    2629   100,0    62000    6056   1,135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 200                           93,9     50,5     3,27    2628   100,0    62000    5808   1,148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       115,0     64,2     4,16    2622    92,1    55544    7091   1,158  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150                    115,0     59,6     3,86    2615    99,2    55995    6599   1,162  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365                       115,0     62,9     4,07    2615    98,0    48206    7359   1,208  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           115,0     62,9     4,07    2613    92,0    56811    6904   1,151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N133                    106,7     53,7     3,48    2612   100,0    62000    5716   1,127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation        93,1     49,6     3,21    2606   100,0    62000    5839   1,123  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4198                            97,1     47,9     3,10    2602   100,0    62000    5523   1,122  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2700                      109,5     62,8     4,07    2600    92,7    62000    6488   1,135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N130                    100,5     51,7     3,35    2598   100,0    62000    5636   1,136  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4198                       93,7     48,3     3,13    2594   100,0    62000    5706   1,125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-7                   91,7     48,8     3,16    2593   100,0    62000    5583   1,141  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2207                         92,3     47,5     3,07    2592   100,0    62000    5485   1,139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Kazan Sunar 308W                    95,8     51,5     3,34    2591   100,0    62000    5618   1,138  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                115,0     61,2     3,96    2567    96,8    49874    6801   1,202  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350                      115,0     61,8     4,01    2560    90,9    53214    6770   1,184  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          115,0     63,2     4,10    2560    88,1    52415    6972   1,186  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4                        115,0     63,2     4,10    2560    88,1    52415    6972   1,186  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4227                       87,9     44,2     2,87    2542   100,0    62000    5152   1,137  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N120                     94,9     47,6     3,09    2541   100,0    62000    5099   1,147  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N125                     89,7     45,8     2,97    2537   100,0    62000    5098   1,148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4227                            87,4     44,0     2,85    2533   100,0    62000    5127   1,136  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209                        115,0     62,9     4,07    2530    87,0    50495    6968   1,205  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
 
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Cartridge          : 9.3 x 53 R Fin.
Bullet             : .366, 285, Norma ORYX 69308
Useable Case Capaci: 53.782 grain H2O = 3.492 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.000 inch = 76.20 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

46 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  112,3     58,4     3,78    2516   100,0    62000    7090   1,197  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17                           111,6     58,0     3,76    2504    99,8    62000    7037   1,201  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17                 111,6     58,0     3,76    2504    99,8    62000    7037   1,201  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  115,0     59,7     3,87    2486    99,0    61931    6933   1,210  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  114,6     60,5     3,92    2478    97,7    62000    7248   1,206  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550                    113,5     57,5     3,73    2465    98,6    62000    6922   1,220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511                113,0     59,7     3,87    2461    97,0    62000    7007   1,213  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414                       110,6     58,0     3,76    2454    96,2    62000    6930   1,216  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760                     110,6     58,0     3,76    2454    96,2    62000    6930   1,216  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 52                  108,0     55,3     3,58    2450    99,7    62000    6561   1,220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  109,2     55,9     3,62    2449    99,5    62000    6606   1,219  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223                      99,8     55,1     3,57    2447    99,7    62000    6530   1,220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game                   105,7     55,8     3,62    2442    99,5    62000    6519   1,220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895                           105,2     52,1     3,38    2436    99,6    62000    6523   1,234  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2                      100,3     54,3     3,52    2430    99,9    62000    6401   1,234  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350                      115,0     57,0     3,69    2430    98,4    58695    6745   1,249  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3                         108,4     54,3     3,52    2428    99,9    62000    6380   1,240  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old                      108,4     54,3     3,52    2428    99,9    62000    6380   1,240  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B                         106,5     52,8     3,42    2426    99,6    62000    6444   1,236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11                       105,9     52,5     3,40    2424    99,3    62000    6468   1,236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation         105,9     52,5     3,40    2424    99,3    62000    6468   1,236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15                 105,9     52,5     3,40    2424    99,3    62000    6468   1,236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748                      97,7     52,1     3,38    2423   100,0    62000    6124   1,228  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP                          115,0     56,4     3,65    2421    98,3    58436    6746   1,245  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         115,0     56,4     3,65    2420    98,3    58379    6743   1,246  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903                      110,8     54,3     3,52    2419    99,8    62000    6306   1,242  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter                     115,0     58,9     3,82    2419    96,4    58591    6912   1,243  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031                           106,2     49,2     3,19    2414   100,0    62000    5768   1,233  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355                       110,5     53,6     3,47    2410    99,7    62000    6309   1,242  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar                  100,3     53,2     3,44    2410    99,5    62000    6335   1,234  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064                      108,7     52,7     3,42    2410   100,0    62000    5942   1,261  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895                      102,0     50,6     3,28    2409    99,8    62000    6277   1,241  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380                       107,0     54,2     3,51    2408    98,3    62000    6493   1,241  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H                       102,3     50,7     3,29    2404    99,6    62000    6297   1,242  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204                          114,4     58,5     3,79    2404    93,3    62000    6717   1,225  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6                       102,9     52,6     3,41    2403   100,0    62000    5938   1,247  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520                      100,6     52,6     3,41    2403   100,0    62000    5938   1,247  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320                           107,7     52,5     3,40    2403    99,4    62000    6214   1,226  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   103,0     52,7     3,42    2400    99,5    62000    6262   1,237  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
 
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Cartridge          : 9.3 x 53 R Fin.
Bullet             : .366, 285, Norma ORYX 69308
Useable Case Capaci: 53.782 grain H2O = 3.492 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.000 inch = 76.20 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 56000 psi, or 386 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

50 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  109,3     56,8     3,68    2445    99,8    56000    7032   1,250  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17                 108,5     56,4     3,66    2433    99,4    56000    6948   1,253  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17                           108,5     56,4     3,66    2433    99,4    56000    6948   1,253  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  112,1     58,2     3,77    2417    98,3    56000    6833   1,262  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  111,7     59,0     3,82    2406    96,7    56000    7108   1,259  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350                      113,7     56,4     3,65    2399    98,1    56000    6700   1,274  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550                    110,4     55,9     3,62    2395    97,9    56000    6787   1,273  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP                          113,7     55,7     3,61    2392    97,9    56000    6692   1,268  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         113,7     55,8     3,61    2391    97,9    56000    6689   1,268  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511                110,0     58,1     3,76    2389    96,0    56000    6853   1,266  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter                     113,6     58,2     3,77    2387    95,9    56000    6840   1,267  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 52                  105,0     53,7     3,48    2382    99,2    56000    6461   1,272  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414                       107,5     56,4     3,65    2382    95,1    56000    6768   1,270  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760                     107,5     56,4     3,65    2382    95,1    56000    6768   1,270  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  106,0     54,3     3,52    2380    99,0    56000    6492   1,271  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365                       115,0     56,7     3,67    2379    99,7    51910    6630   1,295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223                      96,9     53,5     3,47    2378    99,3    56000    6424   1,272  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game                   102,6     54,2     3,51    2373    98,9    56000    6408   1,273  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895                           101,9     50,5     3,27    2366    99,2    56000    6400   1,288  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2                       97,3     52,7     3,41    2363    99,7    56000    6307   1,286  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old                      105,3     52,8     3,42    2362    99,6    56000    6297   1,294  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3                         105,3     52,8     3,42    2362    99,6    56000    6297   1,294  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748                      94,7     50,5     3,27    2358   100,0    56000    6050   1,280  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B                         103,2     51,2     3,32    2356    99,1    56000    6324   1,290  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903                      107,7     52,8     3,42    2353    99,5    56000    6222   1,295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15                 102,6     50,9     3,30    2353    98,7    56000    6337   1,290  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11                       102,6     50,9     3,30    2353    98,7    56000    6337   1,290  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation         102,6     50,9     3,30    2353    98,7    56000    6337   1,290  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031                           102,8     47,7     3,09    2351   100,0    56000    5687   1,285  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064                      105,5     51,2     3,32    2347   100,0    56000    5880   1,316  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355                       107,2     52,0     3,37    2343    99,3    56000    6204   1,296  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       113,1     56,9     3,69    2341    94,5    56000    6478   1,281  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar                   97,2     51,5     3,34    2340    99,0    56000    6209   1,288  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6                        99,9     51,0     3,31    2340   100,0    56000    5878   1,301  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520                       97,6     51,0     3,31    2340   100,0    56000    5878   1,301  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380                       104,0     52,7     3,41    2339    97,5    56000    6356   1,295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895                       98,7     48,9     3,17    2339    99,4    56000    6155   1,296  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320                           104,4     50,9     3,30    2334    98,9    56000    6095   1,279  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H                        99,0     49,1     3,18    2333    99,1    56000    6165   1,297  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204                          111,4     57,0     3,69    2332    91,9    56000    6539   1,278  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          115,0     57,0     3,69    2332    91,9    55974    6538   1,279  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4                        115,0     57,0     3,69    2332    91,9    55974    6538   1,279  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    99,7     51,0     3,31    2330    99,0    56000    6135   1,291  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                115,0     55,2     3,57    2330    98,9    53541    6175   1,294  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070                         112,0     54,9     3,56    2329    95,3    56000    6394   1,298  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516                 99,9     52,8     3,42    2329    97,4    56000    6258   1,290  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495                       99,3     48,1     3,12    2328   100,0    56000    5607   1,326  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 50                  102,0     52,6     3,41    2327    97,6    56000    6206   1,293  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321                        94,3     50,3     3,26    2326    99,8    56000    6022   1,300  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507                 96,0     49,7     3,22    2325    99,7    56000    5987   1,294  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data     103,3     52,9     3,43    2323    97,6    56000    6172   1,294  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540                    102,0     51,1     3,31    2321   100,0    56000    5856   1,296  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062                         103,6     49,9     3,24    2320    99,7    56000    5940   1,304  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S341                        98,0     52,3     3,39    2317    98,9    56000    5969   1,292  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335                        89,8     48,6     3,15    2315   100,0    56000    5711   1,296  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350                           112,4     55,4     3,59    2315    94,1    56000    6262   1,286  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350                      114,5     55,5     3,60    2315    94,0    56000    6267   1,286  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202                           99,6     48,6     3,15    2314   100,0    56000    5700   1,301  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant AR-Comp                     97,8     46,9     3,04    2313   100,0    56000    5238   1,292  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation       97,3     46,9     3,04    2313   100,0    56000    5238   1,292  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150                    112,6     52,7     3,41    2313    99,8    56000    5854   1,295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530                     95,0     47,3     3,07    2313    99,7    56000    5888   1,298  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065                         110,3     53,5     3,47    2312    96,6    56000    6210   1,303  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208                        104,2     50,2     3,25    2311    98,5    56000    6057   1,292  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET                     104,6     50,2     3,25    2311    98,5    56000    6057   1,292  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   89,3     47,3     3,06    2309   100,0    56000    5662   1,301  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    97,9     52,1     3,37    2309    97,4    56000    6087   1,304  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209                        115,0     56,7     3,67    2308    91,0    53836    6566   1,297  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223)        89,2     47,4     3,07    2308   100,0    56000    5655   1,301  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201                          100,0     48,5     3,14    2306    99,7    56000    5892   1,313  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR                        97,0     48,1     3,12    2305    99,7    56000    5819   1,299  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064                           105,4     49,4     3,20    2304    98,7    56000    5934   1,297  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219                         89,3     45,7     2,96    2303   100,0    56000    5486   1,295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322                        95,0     45,7     2,96    2303   100,0    56000    5486   1,295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC                         96,5     51,6     3,34    2303    96,8    56000    6124   1,300  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5                        93,1     49,5     3,21    2300    99,9    56000    5705   1,317  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460                       92,8     49,5     3,21    2300    99,9    56000    5705   1,317  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
 
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Jiri

Díky ti moc. Pokud je pro vás něco, co vám mohu udělat, dejte mi prosím vědět.

S pozdravem,


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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SAKO produces 9.3x53R Finnish ammo. They offer one load, apparently not available in USA. They catalog a 256gr Gamehead bullet with BC of .244 and having muzzle velocity of 2247 fps from a 23.6” barrel. Muzzle energy is 2860 ft-lbs.

For comparison, they list a 250gr load for the 9.3x62 at 2395 fps/3184 ft-lbs as well as a 286gr load at 2329 fps/3439 ft-lbs.

Think of the 9.3x53R as similar to the .358 Winchester and the 9.3x62 as similar to the .35 Whelen.

Surely, the 9.3x53R could be loaded a little hotter but, in the end, they are what they are. Just as a .358 Win is not a .35 Whelen so too a 9.3x53R is not a 9.3x62. Expecting otherwise is bound to disappoint.




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Some research showed the 9,3x53r is spec'd at 340mpa which = ~49,300 psi which is ~12% below the rating of the 7.62x54r so even not trying to turn a 9,3x54r into a 9,3x62; I suspect there is a reasonable chance that moderate range 9,3x62 performance is safely achievable.

Interestingly enough, a look at Hodgdon data shows 8 of 11 loads for the 286 grain bullet in the x62 at or below 2325 fps.

Looking at the data above it would appear there is a reasonable possibility of achieving low 2300s with an uncompressed load below 56k psi with CFE223, BLC2, or W748 in a 9,3x54r.

All that being said I think the 350 grn 405 Grenadier is a more interesting proposition.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike_Dettorre:

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You are Welcome
 
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I recommend we just chamber it for the 400 Jeffery (so you can use .410/411 bullets) , and call it good; yes I can make it feed. Then you have 90 grains of powder space to play with.
 
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Just off topic question:

Is it possible 460 or 500 S&W on Mosin action?
 
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dpcd would be the guy that knows


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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Yes it could be made to fit, but here we are back to pressures again; running a Mosin at 60K psi is not what I like to do although they are certainly very strong. I would use a bigger case, more powder, lower pressures, and the same ballistics, like a 50-110, for example.
And a 45-70 instead of a 460.
 
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Several years ago I considered the 9.3x54R on the Mosin action, but "considered" is all. If I had become serious about it, I think The Encore would be a good choice. But considering the cost of reamer and dies, etc. decided it was a lark.

It's possible/probable that the chamber can be cut with the 7.62x54R reamer, proper pilot, and the throat cut in a separate op. Real gunsmiths will know the answer to that.

Instead, I already had a FN Mauser action so I had it barreled in 9.3x57. I still think it was a much better choice.

Norma offers two loads. 286 gr @ 2070 fps MV and 232 gr @ 2330 fps MV.

I have several boxes of the Nosler 250 gr Ballistic Tips and lots of the Speer 270 gr 9.3 bullets, and a bunch of Norma brass.

BTW, I wouldn't intentionally load the 9.3x57 to 62,000 psi - not even close - not even in the FN Mauser action. Why?


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Please don't say that is because the brass won't take it.
As for a 9.3x53R on a Mosin; did one and it works great.
And one this week in 9.3x62. Works great too. That one took a lot more work though. Of course a Mauser would have been far easier but easy is not the point.
 
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If I wanted hot loads, and magnum velocity I wouldn't choose either the 9.3x54R or 9.3x57.

Of course the 9.3x54R will work great in a Mosin. That was proven long time ago.

And you are right about "easy is not the point". Otherwise we wouldn't be messing with wildcats.

It's just a question of how difficult one wants to make it.

Since I already had a FN commercial Mauser '98 action and didn't have a Mosin, that choice was easy, and thus the 9.3x57 followed.

If I decide to sell my 9.3x57 on the FN action, PacNor barrel, custom trigger and three position safety, Mark X bottom metal, Black Teflon coated, which would you buy - it or the Mosin? And if my rifle was for sale, which it's not, I wouldn't sell it for less than $2,000.

Of course that's not the point either. It's whichever gives a guy the most satisfaction.

Hence the old saying about making something nice out of a sow's ear - the Mosin being the analogy with the sow's ear.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I think I'll check to be sure my FN 9.3 is sighted in and take it hog hunting. Smiler


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