28 March 2004, 06:23
papaschmud.257 Fireball ?
Just curious if anyone has done this. Seems to me it would be very near a .256 Winchester without the rim. My idea would be for use with cast bullets and 70-75 grain HPs. CZ 527 as test bed.
I know about the SSK Whisper series, but they don't make a 25 cal.
Gabe
28 March 2004, 14:01
Wildcat CrazyCH4D offers FL dies in .25/221,.25/221 IMP 30 degree shoulder,and .25/221 IMP 40 degree shoulder.
You would be able to load the case to higher pressures than the .256 Win. was loaded so you could expect a velocity increase over the .256 Win.
WC
28 March 2004, 17:16
gmushialpapa -
It looks like using the 221 as the basis will buy you about 1 gr of capacity (22.1 for the 256 vs 22.0 for the 25-221 30deg), ie, don't expect a huge velocity improvement over the 256. Of note: of late we've been taking a fair amount of data for the 256, especially lead data - with the short neck we didn't expect it to be a lead shooter... were we ever wrong (live an learn!). With the speer 75gr fnc and vvn120 using a rebarreled marlin 1894 (using a 1894cl 20-25 barrel reamed to 256, hence a 1:16 twist), we're seeing .6-.7 moa 5 shot groups. Originally started taking the data just to have it... now we're getting to end and wish we had more to do ;-( for the lead data we're looking at 39 or 40 powders before we're done. So far the best has been vvn320 under a 77gr rnfp at .73" for 10 shots at 50yrds.
do shoot straight,
greg
www.gmdr.com30 March 2004, 17:15
papaschmudGreg
Thanks for the comments about the cast bullets. Sounds good. As for velocity increase, that's not my goal. I just wanted a rimless .256 winchester. The Winchester would be a bear in terms of feeding in a bolt rifle, and the bolt face diameter is a problem. The fireball case should feed like butter from the 527's vertically stacked mag.
Wildcat
Thanks for the info from CH. I looked at Redding's site this weekend and found the version with the standard shoulder.
I haven't done any buisness with CH in over 20 years. Are they still relatively good quality?
Thanks
Gabe
30 March 2004, 18:12
UrodojiIsn't this the .25 Whisper?
31 March 2004, 00:20
papaschmudAccording to the SSK website they passed up the .25 cal version of the whisper series. They list both a 6mm and a 6.5 but no .25

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They may have a reamer though. Tried it but never adopted it for commercial use? Worth a phone call I guess.
Gabe