I've had a rifle in this caliber for a number of years now. Easy to load for and fun to shoot. It has all of the positives of the parent .223 Remington and none of the negatives.

With every hole in the ballistic map pretty well covered mulitiple times, how reasonable would it be to expect this to be standardized within, say the next five years or so?

JSG,

I'm getting enough years under my belt to recognize my own perilous slide into Grumpy Old Fart Syndrome, so take my opinion with the requisite grain of salt, but...

don't hold your breath.

I've got two of these little darlings and they are wonderfully accurate and gentle on the shoulder and the ears. I run mine at moderate velocities with heavy bullets which makes a dandy deer/turkey combination cartridge for Central Texas (far better than the parent).

This cartridge lacks the velocity of the new Warp Speed Shazaam Magnums, it only has solid performance to recommend it. A modest new cartridge surviving in today's marketplace? I wish it would happen but I'd bet against it. So what? We know, and so do a few others. Maybe that's enough?

Good hunting,

Mark

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Originally posted by 218 Bee:
This cartridge lacks the velocity of the new Warp Speed Shazaam Magnums, it only has solid performance to recommend it. A modest _new_ cartridge surviving in today's marketplace? I wish it would happen but I'd bet against it. So what? We know, and so do a few others. Maybe that's enough?

Good hunting,

Mark

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What about things like the .204 Ruger and the WSSMs, surely the 6x45mm would have a place there? Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

JSG,
I've only just had a rifle chambered in this cartridge. I've done a little work with the Sierra 75gn HPs and so far I am truly impressed.

I don't believe this cartridge will be comercialised in the near future because it does what it does without fuss and fanfare, not really a marketing executives wet dream.

I kind of doubt it. The 6mm TCU is yet another variety of 6mm/.223 and it isn't commercialized either. Mine is a rebored Savage 24V with 20-gauge lower barrel, a nice little antelope/sage-grouse/sneakable-ducks gun ( or whitetail/pheasant gun for river bottoms ).

Well Rem made the 40x in 6x45 and 6x47 and Kimber also made it same with Cooper. Just not alot going out to buy that caliber. I've got a 6x47 Rem 40x.

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Originally posted by tom holland:
Well Rem made the 40x in 6x45 and 6x47 and Kimber also made it same with Cooper. Just not alot going out to buy that caliber. I've got a 6x47 Rem 40x.

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There weren't enough people interested in those particular rifles. The .204 Ruger is apparently selling well, no reason why the 6x45mm couldn't if the right company chose to promote it.

Wasn't only not enought interest but no factory ammo. Same as when Rem made the 40x in 6mmIntl,30-338,6br and 22br. Most reloader want to be able to buy factory cases and not have to form or open the necks up or down.

I built mine on a mini mauser a few years back and it's a superb rifle. I've used it prairie doggin and it's as good as any .223 I own and the best part is that it's a good cartridge for shorter range whitetails. I lived in Minnesota at the time and the law there required that a legal deer cartridge be 1 3/4" in length and .23 caliber or larger. This ruled out the .223 so I necked it up one notch to get around the law.....the real advantage is the extreme light weight of this little gun on the mini mauser and the featherweight 20" barrel.

It's a keeper for sure!!!

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Originally posted by tom holland:
Wasn't only not enought interest but no factory ammo. Same as when Rem made the 40x in 6mmIntl,30-338,6br and 22br. Most reloader want to be able to buy factory cases and not have to form or open the necks up or down.

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And as I stated in my previous post, if the right company chose to promote it, the 6x45mm would sell just as well as some of the other small calibers currently offered. Properly promoting it would include offering loaded ammunition and reloading components, just as is being offered for the .204 Ruger.

JSG,

Believe me, I agree with you…some company OUGHT to promote it. Unfortunately, I don’t think you’ll find anybody willing to take this business risk.

To my eye, the current crop of new wonder cartridges are all being marketed as “hotâ€. The “magnum†sobriquet as applied to the Whizzums strikes me more as a marketing device than anything else, and while the .204 doesn’t say “magnum†they aren’t bashful about making sure that everybody knows that it launches at 4000+ fps!

I guess that I see the 6x45 in the same light that I see my other favorite wildcat, the .338-06 (or its kissing cousin, the .35 Whelen). The .338-06 performs yeoman duty without hype or fanfare and yet the major manufacturers avoid it like it’s got a social disease. And why shouldn’t they? Remington brought out a legitimate .35 Whelen only to have the shooting public shun it in the marketplace.

Richard Kymble nailed it, in my opinion, when he described the 6x45 as not being a “marketing executives wet dreamâ€. Until that happens, don’t look for 6/.223s on the shelf at Wal-Mart. It isn’t about the utility of the cartridge, it’s about the company’s perception of its marketability. It ain’t personal, it’s just business.

Just my opinion…your mileage may vary.

Mark

One of the problems with the 6x45 and 6x47 is case capacity for the heavier bullets and if you look at whats happening say in the 6mm guys want to be able to shoot 55gr to 100gr bullets or they want something to handle the LVD bullets. The other problem you have is velocity and wind i build up a 6x45 with a 1/14 twist barrel just found wasn't up to my 6br and I had more range with the 223AI maybe I should have Ackley that round. I shot the 6tcu in a tc and liked it. I don't think the 6x45 is a marketable round it has such a narrow field of use.

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One of the problems with the 6x45 and 6x47 is case capacity for the heavier bullets and if you look at whats happening say in the 6mm guys want to be able to shoot 55gr to 100gr bullets or they want something to handle the LVD bullets. The other problem you have is velocity and wind i build up a 6x45 with a 1/14 twist barrel just found wasn't up to my 6br and I had more range with the 223AI maybe I should have Ackley that round. I shot the 6tcu in a tc and liked it. I don't think the 6x45 is a marketable round it has such a narrow field of use.

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I disagree, the 6x45mm is VERY marketable. Build the rifles with a 1 in 10" twist and stick with the 85 grain bullets. It becomes a nice, deer-legal round for AR15-type rifles, as well as trim bolt actions. A 1 in 14" twist is for the birds.

If some of this other garbage can be marketed, there's no reason why a round with a high degree of efficiency, like the 6x45mm, can't.

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/QUOTE]I disagree, the 6x45mm is VERY marketable. Build the rifles with a 1 in 10" twist and stick with the 85 grain bullets. It becomes a nice, deer-legal round for AR15-type rifles, as well as trim bolt actions. A 1 in 14" twist is for the birds.

If some of this other garbage can be marketed, there's no reason why a round with a high degree of efficiency, like the 6x45mm, can't.[/QUOTE]
My 6x45 was build as a varmit rifle with a 1/14 twist for the light bullets. If you think I was comparing it to your 6x45 I'm sorry you didn't fully understand my post. My deer and elk rifle happen to be of a larger caliber and the 6x45 load round would fit inside of one of my empty cases. I only hunt in the US so cann't comment on any other place. Here the 6x45 again isn't a marketable rifle in my state you cann't get enought powder in that case to give it the velocity so you can have enough engery to use it as a big game rifle and be legal so who's going to market a regional type rifle. If the US was OK maybe the 6x45 would be alright. When the orginal Kimber came out the the 6x45 in a rifle it was a big hit finally had a rifle you could walk in and buy without having to build one. The 6br just got to be a better case has the capacity for both light and lvd bullets has nothing to do with just velocity it just that certain case come along and are better than others. Well good luck.

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My 6x45 was build as a varmit rifle with a 1/14 twist for the light bullets. If you think I was comparing it to your 6x45 I'm sorry you didn't fully understand my post. My deer and elk rifle happen to be of a larger caliber and the 6x45 load round would fit inside of one of my empty cases. I only hunt in the US so cann't comment on any other place. Here the 6x45 again isn't a marketable rifle in my state you cann't get enought powder in that case to give it the velocity so you can have enough engery to use it as a big game rifle and be legal so who's going to market a regional type rifle. If the US was OK maybe the 6x45 would be alright. When the orginal Kimber came out the the 6x45 in a rifle it was a big hit finally had a rifle you could walk in and buy without having to build one. The 6br just got to be a better case has the capacity for both light and lvd bullets has nothing to do with just velocity it just that certain case come along and are better than others. Well good luck.

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Aside from your lack of punctuation, I can understand your post just fine. Perhaps the same can't be said of you, due to your rather myopic view that seems to pigeon-hole a good round into target duty only. A 6x45mm launching an 85-grain Nosler Partition at 2800 FPS doesn't have enough energy for deer in North America? You don't have a clue.

Alf:

Glad to see the RSA has some logical attitudes than the norm in the USA. I think the problem with the average guy in the USA is too much attunement to what advertising wants him to hear and less time in the field actually using the thing.

A local gun shop here in town, told me that most of the 270 Winchesters they sale are for guys who bought a 338 Mag or a 300 Mag of some type, and then quietly trade it in once they were tired of it beating the crap out of them and them not hitting anything with it.

The only reason I never made one out of one of my rifles is that I can download a 243 to that performance level, and recoil level using Blue Dot shotgun powder. In fact I load 22.5 grains of blue dot with all of my 243 loads and it equates in recoil to what one of my friends with a 6 x 45 gets for recoil.

It has a place, we just don't have a market that cares to hear about it.

Cheers
seafire

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It has a place, we just don't have a market that cares to hear about it.

Cheers
seafire

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It would have a place -- if a company would get behind it. Who would have ever thought that a bottlenecked rimfire round would catch on, especially after the failure of the 5mm Remington? People are like Pavlov's dogs, they can be conditioned to want it.

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Don't know what your problem is this forum isn't that way seems most try and get along. Maybe my writing isn't up to your standards and your heads above me but hell take it easy. Shooting suppose to be fun and swap knowledge try and learn something. The shooting public never took to the 6x45 or 6x47 had nothing to with marketing. As soon as the 223 case hit the market it was wildcated the 6 and 7tcu are pretty good round for the pistol I build that 6x45 over 20yrs ago before that I build a 6x222. In the late 60's I was using the 222 and 223 for the 17cal. My only surprise was the 204 ruger figured they would use the 20cal on the 223 case since most of the work had been done on that case. The 6mmINTL was done in the 50's and it's funny how things come back look at Tubbs 6x. I'm doing a plain 6x22-250 then do the 6x22-250AI kind of like the 6HLS I use to shoot. Problem with the 6x45 and 6x47 time passed them they are good round. When I was shooting the 6tcu with a 1/10twist barrel and 85 gr bullets we were lucky to be getting 2400fps of course that was out of a 14" barrel and I had that 6tcu blown out to the Ackley. For you the 6x45 is great for some of us and I know this is real hard to understand but it does lack the case capacity for what most of us would be using that round for and that is a varmit rifle. They made cases for the 6x47 and that didn't help it. The only round from rem that when from pistol to rifle was the 221 fireball I was shooting that in a rifle in the late 60's. And I'm still shooting that round today along with a 17machIV. The varmit hunters are whats fueling the shooting industry today. I don't know about you but I can do about 10,000 rds a year and that will be spread over about 30 custom varmit rifles. I have about 10 BR rifle and over 10 hunting rifles. I support the shooting industry pretty well. I average 3 to 4 a year for new barrels. My two record book muleys were taken with a 30-338 just haven't been in the right spot for an elk. I should be getting enought point for a Ram one of these days. I was in the high country for pretty close to 3wks didn't see anything worth taking. Saw one non-typical buck but couldn't get to him. Had my nephew with me for about 9 days got him on a nice 5x5 bull his first and a 4x4 muley. Now what do you want to teach me about shooting and hunting. Well good luck to you

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The shooting public never took to the 6x45 or 6x47 had nothing to with marketing.

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Uh, yeah, it did. In fact, it had EVERYTHING to do with marketing. The only commercially manufactured rifles available were semi-custom jobs. There was NO commercially available ammunition for either round. Federal's half-hearted attempt at offering cases assumed that only a handloader would have an interest in the rifle, which is probably true when the only rifles offered are, more or less, CUSTOM. Make a rifle and ammunition that's available at Wal-Mart and people will buy it.

Because you have a narrow field of view of this cartridge, don't assume everyone else shares your same interests.

the gutsyiest company in the US today regarding new cartridges is Hornady.....and they seem to focus on small nitches.....example: .17 HMR, .17 Mach2, .480 Ruger, .204 Ruger, .450 Marlin, .458 Lott, maybe more.....any of these annual volumes can be put into a wheelbarrow.....well the 17 HMR is an exception....
I'm confident that if any commercial Mfr thought there was profit in the 6 x 45 they'd be producing it now.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I'm confident that if any commercial Mfr thought there was profit in the 6 x 45 they'd be producing it now.

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It may just be a matter of time.