Hey all,

I just aquired a Pre64 Mod.70 in 22-3000 toped with a peacar(sp?)scope.. It was a 22Hornet and the rechambering was done by the late Al Hoyer.. This rifle used to be my great grandads and was giving to my grandad.. My grandad shot it 1 time in the last 20 years and hasnt shot it since.. The reason is because he only has about 20 rounds left and hasnt been able to find any.. Does any one have any idea where I may aquire brass or brass that will work or fully loaded rounds for this rig?? Thanks for the help.

Brock

That sounds like what we now call a .22-250, but I'd have it checked by a gunsmith to be on the safe side. If it is, and the chamber is close to a standard .22-250, then brass would be no problem. Back in 1965 I saw a pre-64 Model 70 .22 Hornet in a hock shop in Denver for $75. I wanted a hotter caliber so I passed it by.

6.5 Bandit;

The 22-3000 was a chambering done by Hervey Lovell. Lovell was a well know and respected rifle builder in the 1920's and 30's. The cartridge shot around 15 to 16 gr of 4227 with 46 to 50 gr bullets. It is based on 25-20 singleshot brass. To my knowledge that brass has not been made for close to 80 years. You could try the Old Western Scrounger or do a Google search. But even if you find the brass you'll still need to determine which version of that cartridge your Lovel is chambered for. And then, of course, you'll need dies. But they can be made. If you have 20 pcs of brass left you should be in good shape. Get the dies made and reload.

knobmtn

knobmtn,



Yes this is the one I am talking about.. My dad said he thought you could use the 25-20 winchester single shot brass but couldnt remember for sure.. The ammo I have is fully loaded.. Im sure this was chambered close to 40-60 years ago as it was my great grandfathers and he hasnt been with us for 20 years or more.. Dies I know can be made but would love to get my hands on some more brass.. The brass I have is stamped 22-3000 G&H..



Thanks,



Brock

You might try logging on to either Gunbroker or AuctionArms and checking the collector cartridge sections . From time to time 22-3000 brass shows up on offer , or ask in the Auctionarms wishlist . I am sure that with a little perseverance you will find both brass and dies. Good luck!

6.5 Bandit;

A thought has come to my mind on your 22-3000. Since nothing about the rifle is orginal why not have it re-chambered again to another vintage cartridge. Model 70's never came in 22-3000. 22-3000's were a Hervey Lovell design but Alex Hoyer did the chambering. I'm sure your grandfather would want you to shoot the rifle. In my opinion the best way would be to find another cartridge from the same era with which a gunssmith could over run the chamber. I'd have to check but maybe the 218 Bee or the 219 Zipper would work. You'd have to check dimensions and talk to a good gunsmith. I only mention these two cartridges just to get you thinking. I would think there would be some way to get that fine old rifle back in action. I think that you are going to have a hard time finding 25-20 SS cases. And if you do they will be very old. Collectible themselves.

knobmtn

knobmtn,



Actually since I posted this on a few sites.. I come to find out that midwayusa and OWS both have 25-20 WCF brass this should be the old singleshot brass correct?? Also Buffalo Arms actually has 22-3000 brass as well its alittle steep but worth it IMO.. Here is a link to the brass midway has http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/198389 I am not so sure that the WCF is the brass I am after though.. Here is a link to the Buffalo Arms brass.. http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4%2C3493.html I am possitive that this will work though.. Its a little on the expensive side but IMHO well worth it to keep it the way great grandpa had it... Hoyer is the one that did the rechamber job on this.. Another reason for wanting to keep it as is..



Brock

Ok found out that the WCF brass is deffinatly NOT the SS brass.. So looks like its 32$ for 20 cases lol...

Brock

Hey Bandit,

$32 per 20 isn't that bad. I've seen guys pay far more when they wanted something. If it turns out that is the right brass I'd buy at least 5 boxes. The WCF and SS cases are different.

knobmtn

knobmtn,



Was doing some more browsing on the Buffalo Arms site and found they DO have the 25-20 SS Brass and it cheaper to boot @ 26$ for 20 http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,72.html



Brock

There were several versions of .22-3000 and if it�s not marked R-2 or something else than it may be the original round. I have a set of RCBS dies but not sure if they are standard with RCBS these days. J. B. Smith & Griffin Howe both sold cases with their name on them but most cases as you have learned are made from the .25-20 Single-Shot. I have seen several boxes sold on Ebay over the last couple years, all marked G&H.

I made a scann of an original booklet on this cartridge and sent it to a few who have an interest. If you will email me at mjpetrov@acsalaska.net I�ll send a copy.