I saw on another site a gut had made a .177PPC.
Anyone here know anything about it?
Must be real hard on barrels though accurate?

I was also asking myself if creating a cartridge based on the .308win or .243win with a 30� shoulder as found on the PPC cases, would be any improvement, does it exist already?

Express, Can't answer your questeion on the 17 PPC but I have a real interest in this case. I'm having a 6.5 PPC built and am thinking of a 20 PPC. Also I wonder if anyone has built a .308 PPC? It seems to me that the efficiency of this case in a .308 bbl would be excellent.

Express
I shoot a .17 DT (.100" SHORT .17ppc) it has slightly less capacity than the .17 Rem, yet will surpass .17 Rem velocities with same barrel lengths. The DT is a very accurate cartridge and should at least equal the barrel life of the .17 Rem. I shoot the Kindler 30gr Gold at 4020 fps. Article in Small Caliber News on the .17 DT. Spring edition 2003.

Bob, what is your reason for wanting to neck the 6PPC up to 6.5mm?

Personally I would tend to necking it down as IMHO the 6mm bullet is already about as heavy as the case can spit out and maintain decent tradjectory.

22PPC is a great caliber but not avialiable here, I am looking into building one and having it "proofed" and approved, but this process takes anything up to one year here.

I could find great varmint and target use for a rifle like that. The 17PPC might be a bit too zippy....

It's a real bummer not being able to put together wildcats or even existing calibers outside of what the manufacturers (that have been cataloged for this country) supply.

Say you would like a 300RUM or 300SWM in a Sako rifle, but Sako doesn't make one; so you put a chambered barrel into a Sako rifle.
This would be treated as a new and experimental weapon. Therefore subject to all manner of testing before it gets allowed onto the national catalog.

...Beurocracy...

I believe Bob's reason for the 6.5 PPC is to drive a 120 gr bullet 2700 fps. That is plenty flat shooting for 300 meters, enough bullet for game in the 100 kg range, and in a mini mauser action, makes for a light compact gun.

At least I believe those were the parameters when Bob and I discussed this a year or so back on the small bore forum.

Paul and Express, That's it exactly. The 'smith is very slow but says the 6.5 will be finished toward the last of April. I took another 7.62 X 39 carbine (CZ) to another shop and am having it rebbled to 6 mm PPC. My goal is to have a rifle 40 inches long that weighes less than six pounds that will get a 120 gr .264 bullet going 2700 fps. The 243 (6 mm) should get a 100 gr going around 3000 fps. Since I'm an old fart light weight and low recoil appeal to me. I've already done the hotrod shit. 22 Cheetah 50 gr at 4300 fps and some others. I mostly just carry them around and marvel at what I missed when I was young. So much stuff I didn't see when I had the opportunity. I'm sure making up for that now. There's a lot more to it than velocity.

EXPRESS,

We built a rifle for this wildcat, our results are here.

17 PPC

Blaine, just read the article in SCN now. Man, 645 yds. with a .17. It doesn't get much better than that.

SSCOYOTE Can you figure out what the energy on impact was at 647 on the dog? The Golds BC is 285 and it started out at 4020. i'll tell you what that dog never knew what hit him. both rick and i laughed like hell in disbelief.

Dan, I'm going to do some more experimented with this case. I'm not an expert but can damn sure learn. It just seems to me that the efficiency of this case in a .308 bbl would be excellent. I'm already hung up on the 6 mm PPC and want to see what I can do with the 6.5 PPC and in addition thinking about a 20 PPC. Not so much because of the calibers but because of the mini Mauser action that can be used for these rounds. Ain't it fun?

I have a couple of .30 PPCs, .332" neck, reamer by JGS, which I shoot in CBA cast bullet BR competition. Gary Long, who currently holds the CBA 100-yard, 5-shot group record of 0.155" shot the record with another .30-PPC, identical to mine except with a .329" neck diameter, reamer also by JGS (they call his version the .30 Long).

National CBA records were set with the .30 PPC as early as 1988, with a version called the .30 Kern.

All three versions are capable of 1-hole accuracy at 100 yards with either jacketed or cast bullets.

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Bob,

I can't wait until Montanna Rifle Co comes out with their mini actions, I'd like to get one in both the 223 bolt head and 308 bolt head for use with various BR rounds.

Me too Paul. Seems like there's just not enough time to get it all done. I wish Jeffeoso hadn't gotten me started on Mexican Mausers because now I have the PPC projects going also. Oh well.