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I just aquired an RWS Mod. 94 that has been fired a lot without pellets for "dry fire practice". Is that a good practice and will it harm the gun?!!! TIA!

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The book that came with my Beeman/Weihrauch said not to do that. Hunter
 
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It's a huge NO NO. No pellet = no cushion of air to safeguard the piston from slamming too hard into the end of the chamber.

Dry firing, especially a powerful springer, can lead to early failure of the mainspring and piston seals, as well as other linkage parts.
 
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absolutely horrible idea. without a pellet to absorb the energy relesaed when the spring moves, you are asking for parts breakage. it is generally OK with PCP's but NOT with springers. RWS psecifically states in their manual- DON'T DO IT!! if possible, i would try to get a refund or at the very least, send it to an airgunsmith to be checked. you have been HAD!!


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I just aquired an RWS Mod. 94 that has been fired a lot without pellets for "dry fire pracice". Is that a good practice and will it harm the gun?!!! TIA!

Don in Co


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Now is a fine time to learn how to change a seal and spring. It's not really that hard, just be aware that the spring is under pressure. Lots of info out there on disassembling 94's.
 
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Folks, I was given this RWS 94 by my uncle who said he would fire it dry "to chase the deer out of his yard."

I haven't had time to put it through the paces so I don't know if he damaged it or not by dry firing.

I took it down in the basement and test fired it into my .22LR bullet trap and it had enough power to shatter the pellet.

Knowing my crazy ass uncle, he might have just told me that he fired it a the deer "empty" to avoid telling me that he was actually shooting the deer with pellets ('cause he knew that would piss me off).

I'll bet that the story about "firing empty" was a lie because he had pellets right next to the pellet rifle by the back door.

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Don't do it Don!

I have broken a piston in a Weihrauch HW45 air pistol by dry firing it.

It was fine for a couple of hundred shots and then suddenly there was a clang and a sickening rasp when I cocked it.

Buggered up the cylinder when I cocked it too, one of the cocking arms had broken off and fouled it's slot on the cylinder.

Some seem to get away with it but it can't be good practice.

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Folks, I was given this RWS 94 by my uncle who said he would fire it dry "to chase the deer out of his yard."

I haven't had time to put it through the paces so I don't know if he damaged it or not by dry firing.

I took it down in the basement and test fired it into my .22LR bullet trap and it had enough power to shatter the pellet.

Knowing my crazy ass uncle, he might have just told me that he fired it a the deer "empty" to avoid telling me that he was actually shooting the deer with pellets ('cause he knew that would piss me off).

I'll bet that the story about "firing empty" was a lie because he had pellets right next to the pellet rifle by the back door.

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Most of your original story was made up?
 
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So Don in Colorado,
Most of your original story was made up?


No! Did you notice I put "dry fire practice" in parentheses?

Dry firing is dry firing ....and the circumstances of the dry firing has nothing to do with the question. Got it?
 
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Don't do it Don!

I have broken a piston in a Weihrauch HW45 air pistol by dry firing it.

It was fine for a couple of hundred shots and then suddenly there was a clang and a sickening rasp when I cocked it.

Buggered up the cylinder when I cocked it too, one of the cocking arms had broken off and fouled it's slot on the cylinder.

Some seem to get away with it but it can't be good practice.

Best,

Amir


Thanks, Amir and everyone! I thought the same, but I don't have much experience with springers so I thought I'd ask to try to assess how much damage (if any) might have been caused.

I tested it out and velocity over chrono is good and accuracy also.

Like I said ....it's a "gift" gun so I can't be too critical of the prior abuse by the "giver!"

I guess this brings me to a second question, is there any problem firing a CO2 gun "dry?"

I sometimes do this with my RWS "SIG clone" in conjunction with my CED 6000 timer for "quick reaction" practice.

PS - I was puzzled by the "made in Spain" marking on the RWS 94 ...... But I found out this "RWS" is actually the same gun as the Cometa 400 (or pretty damn close).
 
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It's a huge NO NO. No pellet = no cushion of air to safeguard the piston from slamming too hard into the end of the chamber.

Dry firing, especially a powerful springer, can lead to early failure of the mainspring and piston seals, as well as other linkage parts.




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