I have recently acquired a bore scope. Gee, I wish I hadn't ...

It turned out that my barrels are heavily fouled with encrusted carbon. Underneath I found some more copper and then again carbon fouling.
All this within about 3 inches forward of the chamber. The rest of the barrels is perfectly clean.

So far I've been using Forrest bore cleaning foam. This is basically the European version of Wipe-Out.

I have found that copper removal does not really pose a problem. I have some very efficient, ammonia based stuff for that (Robla Solo Mil). But the carbon build up is more than stuborn. I've tried Birchwood Casey's No.77 (Blackpowder solvent) on it with mediocre results.

Does anyone of you folks have a better solution against carbon build up?

Here's a great article on exactly that issue, I use Hoppe's Elite for the carbon fouling, works extremely well.

http://www.6mmbr.com/borecleaning.html

Just read the article. It mentions that Hoppe's Elite is the same as MPro 7. This is absolutely new to me. And I've heard a lot of good about MPro 7,
I'll try it. Thanx.

Please be aware there are several Elite cleaning solutions, the one that works on carbon fouling is the "Gun Cleaner", it's a clear liquid, comes in a pump spray bottle, although what I've bought looks like the Cabelas packaging, not what's on the Hoppe's page.

http://www.hoppes.com/products/elite_gun_cleaner.html

http://www.cabelas.com/spod-1/0028834.shtml

Snot works well for carbon. Mix equal parts Kroil and black powder bore cleaner. Shake before using. Run wet patch thru bore, let soak, scrub with brush and get out all kinds of nasty crap that was left behind.

I didn't believe in the stuff until I used it on a clean S&W 41 target pistol. The crap that came out I would have never believed could hide in a "clean" shiny barrel.

So far, MPro 7 is the best I've found to remove carbon. It doesn't do much against copper, though.

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Originally posted by Andre Mertens:
So far, MPro 7 is the best I've found to remove carbon. It doesn't do much against copper, though.

Is that the liquid stuff then or the gel?

McFox
A couple other suggestions.
Find some GI bore cleaner, surplus from WWII. It looks awful and smells worse but cleans out the carbon.
Make a batch of Ed's Red, a home made cleaner from stuff from Walmart or any hardware-automotive store.
Jim

The only solution to your problem is to short stroke JB on a jag and pass a copper brush with patch and JB,repeatedly.Carbon fouling and copper build-up ahead of the throat are two different things.I am not a dentist but I see it as brushing after a meal and mechanically removing tarter build-up.

MCFox,
Clear liquid, bio-degradable in a pump-spray bottle.
http://www.mp7.com/

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JB on a snug patch with a jag and short stroke the area.

Shooter's Choice is not a bad gun solvent/cleaner but as far as working on the kind of stuff they're talking about......naaaaaw. I used it for years, switched to Butch's Bore Shine, I'm not sure there's really much difference in the two, I just found a bargain on a few quarts of Butch's.....nearly out again.

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Originally posted by flutedchamber:
Snot works well for carbon. Mix equal parts Kroil and black powder bore cleaner. Shake before using. Run wet patch thru bore, let soak, scrub with brush and get out all kinds of nasty crap that was left behind.

I didn't believe in the stuff until I used it on a clean S&W 41 target pistol. The crap that came out I would have never believed could hide in a "clean" shiny barrel.

OK, I'm willing to try SNOT, I've got Kroil, what brand or where do you get "black powder bore cleaner"?

I use IOSSO bore paste on a patch wrapped around a nylon brush. JB Bore Bright works really well also. The nylon brush keeps good pressure on the patch and is easier to short stroke than a bronze brush.

Have any of you tried the foaming "Spray Engine Degreaser"?

The reason I ask is because I was cleaning one of the Mowers the other day and had some Carbon Residue on the frame that came out of the muffler. Only been mowing with it 28-29 years and it just got onto the fame over time. Also had some typical Engine Grime and needle/leaf trash on the block, so I got a can of generic Engine Degreaser(aka Wal-Mart Super Tech) to use on it.

Apparently got some of the Foam onto the Carbon, because it was gone as I hosed the Engine down. Didn't even think about it until I saw this thread.

It did remove some "Paint" from the Engine Block too, but it mentioned that was a possibility on the can. So, I can see where " I " could wreck a stock with it if I went wild spraying the Foam around.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by flutedchamber:
Snot works well for carbon. Mix equal parts Kroil and black powder bore cleaner. Shake before using. Run wet patch thru bore, let soak, scrub with brush and get out all kinds of nasty crap that was left behind.

I didn't believe in the stuff until I used it on a clean S&W 41 target pistol. The crap that came out I would have never believed could hide in a "clean" shiny barrel.

OK, I'm willing to try SNOT, I've got Kroil, what brand or where do you get "black powder bore cleaner"?

You can use any brand black powder bore cleaner. It is sold in most any store that sells regular bore cleaner.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by flutedchamber:
Snot works well for carbon. Mix equal parts Kroil and black powder bore cleaner. Shake before using. Run wet patch thru bore, let soak, scrub with brush and get out all kinds of nasty crap that was left behind.

I didn't believe in the stuff until I used it on a clean S&W 41 target pistol. The crap that came out I would have never believed could hide in a "clean" shiny barrel.

OK, I'm willing to try SNOT, I've got Kroil, what brand or where do you get "black powder bore cleaner"?

I used the consentrate from Knight. Works great.

McFox - Be very carefull with that "Robla Solo" . I came in from shooting and ran a few patches of this to clean two rifles. It was a warm summer night and I took 20 minutes to have supper. The solution was dry when I returned. One barrel was OK . The Douglas .25/06 was badly pitted in the throat. I had 300 rounds thru this and it shot under .3 at 100. The day before the Winchester 75 gr load was 3690 and 10 fps varation . After this it was 3540 and varied 80+ fps. The groups were now vertical strings 3"X.3 horizontal. When I looked at the throat I scrapped that barrel. It was now extremely pitted in the throat area only .


If you use this Do not let this stay in the barrel for longer than 10 minutes . AND NEVER let the water evaporate. I had used 20 bottles cleaning customers gun with not a problem when I did this to my rifle being in a hurry to have supper.

I also etched a tool steel cutter on a neck turning tool with this solution cleaning brass off the pilot. The fumes did this .

Robla Solo does not go near my barrels now.
There are much better and safer things to use these days.

Harry Pope used ammonia to clean rifle barrels . In the twentys this was a common method of cleaning -see Hatchers Notebook. But they all said to fill the barrel and never let it dry . They would extend the barrel with a rubber sleave so that the solution was above the barrel.

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I use IOSSO bore paste on a patch wrapped around a nylon brush. "

So do I -a great idea. The black powder gel by Shooters Choice works well also.

Glenn

Stonewall-
yes, you're right with your remarks on Robla. It can be very agressive. But I use it very carefully. If I don't have the time to attend to the barrel a couple of minutes after having applied Robla, I use Forrest bore cleaning foam instead. Also works well and it can stay in the barrel overnight.

Try GMC Combustion Chamber cleaner.It hammers carbon and is barrel safe.Smells and looks like Butch's Bore Shine too.

Try using CLR or Lime Away cleaners. A heavily fouled FAL or M1A gas piston cleans up like a breeze, also makes cleaning up the cylinder face on stainless revolvers easy. Have been using this stuff a long time with no ill results.

Has anyone here tried slip2000 copper cutter? I tried the otger day in one of my rifles. I followed the instructons on the package but the patches did not seem to coem out with much coper (they kept the original red color of the solution), so i just dried the bore with several dry patches and ran a patch of break free for storage overnight. Next day i starded cleaning once again and the firs patch was totally blue. I simply dont understand how there could be that much solvent left in the bore after i had passed several dry patches through it. HAs anyone experienced something similar?

Use J&B Bore Paste, or Remclean.

I have used most of the different cleaners, have had good results with MPro7, and actually like KG-1 better although it is a very similar product to MPro7. Will possibly be trying Slip2000 Carbon cutter.

About any cleaner works fine for corbon fouling. I like Hoppes, Rem Oil or whatever, its easy to get out..

The worst thing is copper wash or fouling, but Wipe Out gets it out..

Remember you have to get the bore surgically clean, that is more likely to be counter productive.