Has anybody tried the KG Industries' copper solvent? Their website indicates that it works well but everybody says theirs is the best. Any real world experience out there?

http://www.kgcoatings.com/KG-12%20test%20results.pdf

I don't have any experience with that one, but I can tell you I love Wipeout. Best copper remover I have ever used.

I also like WipeOut but it is hard to find in Europe. KG however has a European distributor in the UK. But before I fork over the money, I would like to know if any of the AR experts have tried it. Who knows, KG may be the best thing since ice cream.

Hi Wink

I am in the uk,and have used the KG copper remover.It is absolutely brilliant.You will not be disappointed.Usual disclaimer I have no link or connection to this product or its supply.

dochoc, It would seem that the KG stuff is expensive, but hard to evaluate without ever having used it (you know, how many times can you clean with one bottle, etc.) compared to WipeOut. Have you also tried WipeOut? Are you able to compare the two in terms of effectiveness or value?

I use the whole KG system in several rifles. In fact, it works so well, it's the only product going with me on my 2 week bear hunts in NB, and AB.

You will not be dissapointed with KG.

Although the test was impressive I don't want to soak my rifle in that stuff. As it is water based and I am in the desert, it dries fast. If I swab it in the bore and kepp the bore wet with it it works well. Let it dry inthe bore and it stops working.

Hi WINK

No not used wipeout so no direct comparison.The KG bottle is pretty big and seems to last a long time.Try it you will love it!!

So, I ordered the KG stuff and will try it out when it gets here.

Doc, you actually clean your rifle while on a bear hunt? I tend to not clean my rifle when on a hunt, at least not until it is over. I'm always afraid the zero will change from a clean barrel compared to a barrel with a couple of fouling shots.

Here we go (again). Wink, as a dirty barrel is not real good, esp. in wet conditions, (except maybe SS), and fireing fouling shots may be counter productive to hunting, why not BR your rifle with a clean barrel and see what happens.

IE Just about every group I fire starts with a clean barrel, and each shot is noted as to first second third shot etc.
You may find the 1st shot is more in the group than the 5th.

JAL, I've got no magic formulas that seem to work better than another, but, the tendency on an African hunt is to shoot a few shots upon arrival to check for zero, scope movement, etc. Then you hunt. In that context the first shot at an animal will not be the first shot from a clean barrel. And it won't be for any of the other animals unless I clean the rifle between shots at animals. This is hardly going to happen, especially if you see more than one shootable animal in a single day. Hence my tendency to want to know the zero on a cold, FOULED, barrel.

Wink, G'day. Completely different type of shoots to mine, and I had to give up on our nice Mr. RIP, whoes rifles all seem to shoot all over the place depending on clean or dirty,
But, with mine, by noting shots, either 1 shot to check zero, or 3rd. or 5th.for group, if the rifle can't maintain a good zero, it's faulty in my opinion, and got rid of to someone less fussy.

My experence on Africa is zilch, and not much difference on big game, but reading the old hands some often mention cleaning their rifles every night (corosive primers I suppose), and they never mentioned fireing fouling shots the next morning.

So with a decent rifle I would be inclined to walk around all day with it clean without having to disturb the peace, and know it will shoot well if fouled for the rest of the day.
A much simpler situation than your first post.
Anyway have fun.

JAL, when a rifle shoots to the same point, clean or dirty, hot or cold, you truly have the holy grail, on any continent. And I bet that sometimes that's just a matter of finding the right load. I wish there weren't so many powder, bullet, primer and brass combinations to try before I get there (if ever!)

Sure, tell me about it. I'm up to about 1000 rnds thru a little .223R Last time out I got a 3/16, 3shot group with a different brass primer combination. Trouble is, the barrel was fouled and warm. Now I have to try it from clean and cold.
But, vertually any reasonable hand load will stay under 1" and that's all I ask of it.

The .458 SEEMS to shoot well enough either way.
I'm not up to the pounding to worry about any small differences. I think we get a "feel" about a rifle if every time we fire it we hit what we aim at, well that's worth something.

But my main example is the many people with range .308's and .223s including 3 of mine,
shoot from a cold clean barrel every time and go to maybe 24 shots with out a clean, and I've never heard of anyone claiming a change of POI.
except for changing conditions. Maybe some click on 1/2 MOA just to centre a group better, but no big deal.

I have not tries all the different copper solvents because I have found that Wipeout works

Wipeout! best thing since chocolate milkshakes.

For cleaning out lead and copper I've used the Birchwood Casey Lead Remover & Polishing Cloth on my Blued & SS revolvers,and rifles. Works for me!

There has been tests done comparing Wipeout to KG unfortunately the test was flawed, KG's test used a 210gn Barnes whereas the Wipeout test used a 107gn bullet, with an increased surface area of the 210gn Barnes it was obvious that the KG would remove more copper.
We will be conducting tests when the new shipment arrives on 12th June, The new product of Wipeout-accelerator show a huge reduction in time needed to remove stubborn copper.
regards
griff
www.wipeout.org.uk

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Originally posted by Wink:
Doc, you actually clean your rifle while on a bear hunt?

Only if the rifle gets rained on. The bore might get 1 or 2 passes with a wet patch, that's all. Zero won't change enough inside 100 yards to make a difference. BTW, I got 3 bears.

Doc, congrats on the bears! Did you post a hunt report? Any photos?

not yet. but I will. I've just been so busy since I've been back, I have not had time.

Have used both types of KG for copper and do not care for it.

I'm very happy with Wipeout.

On my Pacnor s/s super match barrel all I need for copper removal is KG-1. It works well on this particular application.

I've tried KG-12 copper solvent and can't say that I like it. For one thing, it doesn't give you any color indication on your patches, so you don't know if you've got copper in your bore or not. I've come behind KG-12 with Barnes CR-10 to find that copper was still present in the bore based on the blue color on the patches caused by the ammonia in the CR-10. I've done the same with Wipe-Out. I won't be buying any more KG products.

I haven't tried anything since the arrival of Wipeout. But since it's working great for me, I'll stick with it. Lou