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Originally posted by hoghunting:
You need to use the accelerator if you only leave the W-O in the barrel for 20 minutes. Wipe-Out does not contain any ammonia, so it does not harm the barrel to leave it in longer. I use the accelerator with W-O and patch the barrel after about 4 hours and I am very happy that I don't have to scrub the barrel with a brush anymore.

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I dissected Wipe-Out. It’s shaving cream with a bit of ammonia. I didn’t find it as affective as advertised. Why does it need an accelerator?

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Originally posted by hoghunting:

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I dissected Wipe-Out. It’s shaving cream with a bit of ammonia. I didn’t find it as affective as advertised. Why does it need an accelerator?

Roger,

After reading your post, I took a can of Wipe-Out to the Chemistry Dept. at UT-Dallas as I graduated from there and know many of the professors. Their tests revealed absolutely NO ammonia and NO shaving cream.

I am not sure how you did your testing, but credibility is lost with inaccurate statements.

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Originally posted by Doc:
Roger, I saw the other thread here and on precision long range hunter. I would certainly try your bore cleaner but it's hard to discredit MEBMG and wipeout, as well as some others when I've taken a borescope to the bores and they look new, never fired, in many instances.

How much is your stuff?

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Originally posted by hoghunting:
Roger,

My professors and their PhD candidates had nothing to gain or lose by checking Wipe-Out. Their findings are the same as the manufacturer's claims.

You have more to gain by stating that Wipe-Out does not work and that it contains ingredients that the manufacturer does not use.

You might want to be more careful about your statements as you have just set yourself up for a libel suit from Wipe-Out. I guess you will find out if your chemist can beat up their chemists.

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Originally posted by djpaintles:
Sorry RogerK, but lying about the contents of your competitors product even under factual proof to the contrary completely destroys any credibility you might be trying to gain. You look pretty foolish on this thread. Sorry to be so direct but that's how I see it.................DJ

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Originally posted by hoghunting:

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I dissected Wipe-Out. It’s shaving cream with a bit of ammonia. I didn’t find it as affective as advertised. Why does it need an accelerator?

Roger,

After reading your post, I took a can of Wipe-Out to the Chemistry Dept. at UT-Dallas as I graduated from there and know many of the professors. Their tests revealed absolutely NO ammonia and NO shaving cream.

I am not sure how you did your testing, but credibility is lost with inaccurate statements.

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Originally posted by djpaintles:

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Originally posted by hoghunting:

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I dissected Wipe-Out. It’s shaving cream with a bit of ammonia. I didn’t find it as affective as advertised. Why does it need an accelerator?

Roger,

After reading your post, I took a can of Wipe-Out to the Chemistry Dept. at UT-Dallas as I graduated from there and know many of the professors. Their tests revealed absolutely NO ammonia and NO shaving cream.

I am not sure how you did your testing, but credibility is lost with inaccurate statements.

.................................DJ

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Originally posted by b beyer:
Roger, the 20 bucks a bottle is for a 4 oz. bottle if I remember correctly, about twice the price of Butches, and I do not take nearly the strokes that you reccomend to get a barrel clean. As I suggested offer a 1/2 oz. bottle to a few guys and let them post what they find. You are doing yourself an injustice saying you asked a few gunsmiths what they thought without naming them, most of the readers here are smart enough to know the AVERAGE gunsmith in this country works with a sledge hammer and crowbar, a bit above average and they graduate to being able to handle a hacksaw.

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Originally posted by RogerK:

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Originally posted by b beyer:
Roger, the 20 bucks a bottle is for a 4 oz. bottle if I remember correctly, about twice the price of Butches, and I do not take nearly the strokes that you reccomend to get a barrel clean. As I suggested offer a 1/2 oz. bottle to a few guys and let them post what they find. You are doing yourself an injustice saying you asked a few gunsmiths what they thought without naming them, most of the readers here are smart enough to know the AVERAGE gunsmith in this country works with a sledge hammer and crowbar, a bit above average and they graduate to being able to handle a hacksaw.

Check in at my Bore Cleaner Test post on this site. The last post I made was in response to a post you made. I offered you a full bottle of Warthog at no cost several days ago. I’ll make the same offer here. E-mail me your name and address at rogerk@warthog1134.com and I'll send you a bottle at no charge. I'll also enter your name in the rifle contest. Pass the bottle around to your buddies, if you are so inclined.

This isn't the first bottle we’ve sent out to no cost for testing. I'm picking guys at random. Turnaround on feedback takes time. We are hearing from paying customers who are very pleased with Warthog. One customer returned his order of Montana 50BMG for a refund after he tried Warthog.

The cost of Warthog is an issue. Take pumps for instance. Brass or bronze impellers, and if they have a plastic impeller that will stand up to the raw chemicals in Warthog, the shaft always turns out to be brass or bronze. The first pump we tried lasted exactly one day, and it was a very short day.

Saying Warthog actually costs less to use, like we state on our web site, isn’t very persuasive, so I will give you a few figures, hard evidence anyone can check with a little patience.

Warthog comes in a flip top pour spout that makes it possible to drip it on a patch a drop at a time. That choice was deliberate and added to the cost. It’s a few cents per bottle, but multiplied by 50,000 adds up. I decided to use this type of top because it’s easier to control the application of the cleaner to a patch. It’s what I personally want in a method of applying the solvent, so that’s what we used. I also hate having a jar of a stinking solvent on my cleaning bench with the top off. Knocking it over is always a threat. Knock a bottle of Warthog over with the flip top open and you’ll spill a few drops max. And most of the stink stays in the bottle where it belongs.

I use Pro Shot 1.5 inch patches to clean my .270, 7MM and .30 bores. Eight drops saturates a patch this size almost to the edges. It leaves just enough dry around the edge to grab the patch. Ten drops saturates the patch edge to edge, if you drip it on just right, which I usually don’t.

Wipe-Out states that you will get 75 applications out of their product. The information is on their web site at: http://www.sharpshootr.com/wipeout.htm toward the bottom of the page. I’m not picking on Wipe-Out. The people that run the place are the only manufacturers that state how many applications you can expect from their product.

I filled one of the exact same bottles that we use to hold Warthog with water and started dripping water and counting. If you use 10 drops of Warthog per patch, you’ll get 5000 wet patches out of a 4 oz bottle. If you use 8 drops, you’ll get 5800 wet patches out of a 4 oz bottle.

Let’s say you use 10 drops per patch @ 5000 wet patches per bottle. If you use 10 patches to clean a bore, you’ll get 500 cleanings out of a bottle of Warthog.

The suggested retail price for Wipe-Out, also on their web site, is $12.99. They state up front 75 applications. The instructions on the can state “Reapply†until a patch comes out clean. No matter how you cut it, if you clean a bore with one application of Wipe-Out, and you don’t shoot any extra out the opposite end of the bore like I did when I tried it, you are limited to 75 bore cleanings at $12.99. That’s the best you can do under optimum circumstances. That’s not an experiment I did; that’s according to the company that makes and markets the product.

Wipe-Out: 75 cleanings at $12.99 = 17 cents a cleaning.

Warthog sells for $13.50 pluses $6.50 shipping and handling: $20.00 bucks a bottle.

Using 10 patches of Warthog per cleaning @ 500 cleanings = 4 cents a cleaning.

75 cleanings under optimum conditions with no spills versus 500 cleanings. Hell, you can spill 10 patches worth of Warthog on the floor and actually use 10 patches to clean and you’d still get 250 cleanings out a bottle.

Now which product is the most expensive?

You’d have to get awful sloppy with Warthog to bring it up to what Wipe-Out costs.

E-mail me your name and address and I’ll get a bottle out to you. One honest test will prove to you that Warthog sets a new standard in bore cleaning.

Right now I’m heading out on a pheasant hunt as soon as a click a button or two.

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Originally posted by RogerK:

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Originally posted by RogerK:

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Originally posted by b beyer:
Roger, the 20 bucks a bottle is for a 4 oz. bottle if I remember correctly, about twice the price of Butches, and I do not take nearly the strokes that you reccomend to get a barrel clean. As I suggested offer a 1/2 oz. bottle to a few guys and let them post what they find. You are doing yourself an injustice saying you asked a few gunsmiths what they thought without naming them, most of the readers here are smart enough to know the AVERAGE gunsmith in this country works with a sledge hammer and crowbar, a bit above average and they graduate to being able to handle a hacksaw.

Check in at my Bore Cleaner Test post on this site. The last post I made was in response to a post you made. I offered you a full bottle of Warthog at no cost several days ago. I’ll make the same offer here. E-mail me your name and address at rogerk@warthog1134.com and I'll send you a bottle at no charge. I'll also enter your name in the rifle contest. Pass the bottle around to your buddies, if you are so inclined.

This isn't the first bottle we’ve sent out to no cost for testing. I'm picking guys at random. Turnaround on feedback takes time. We are hearing from paying customers who are very pleased with Warthog. One customer returned his order of Montana 50BMG for a refund after he tried Warthog.

The cost of Warthog is an issue. Take pumps for instance. Brass or bronze impellers, and if they have a plastic impeller that will stand up to the raw chemicals in Warthog, the shaft always turns out to be brass or bronze. The first pump we tried lasted exactly one day, and it was a very short day.

Saying Warthog actually costs less to use, like we state on our web site, isn’t very persuasive, so I will give you a few figures, hard evidence anyone can check with a little patience.

Warthog comes in a flip top pour spout that makes it possible to drip it on a patch a drop at a time. That choice was deliberate and added to the cost. It’s a few cents per bottle, but multiplied by 50,000 adds up. I decided to use this type of top because it’s easier to control the application of the cleaner to a patch. It’s what I personally want in a method of applying the solvent, so that’s what we used. I also hate having a jar of a stinking solvent on my cleaning bench with the top off. Knocking it over is always a threat. Knock a bottle of Warthog over with the flip top open and you’ll spill a few drops max. And most of the stink stays in the bottle where it belongs.

I use Pro Shot 1.5 inch patches to clean my .270, 7MM and .30 bores. Eight drops saturates a patch this size almost to the edges. It leaves just enough dry around the edge to grab the patch. Ten drops saturates the patch edge to edge, if you drip it on just right, which I usually don’t.

Wipe-Out states that you will get 75 applications out of their product. The information is on their web site at: http://www.sharpshootr.com/wipeout.htm toward the bottom of the page. I’m not picking on Wipe-Out. The people that run the place are the only manufacturers that state how many applications you can expect from their product.

I filled one of the exact same bottles that we use to hold Warthog with water and started dripping water and counting. If you use 10 drops of Warthog per patch, you’ll get 5000 wet patches out of a 4 oz bottle. If you use 8 drops, you’ll get 5800 wet patches out of a 4 oz bottle.

Let’s say you use 10 drops per patch @ 5000 wet patches per bottle. If you use 10 patches to clean a bore, you’ll get 500 cleanings out of a bottle of Warthog.

The suggested retail price for Wipe-Out, also on their web site, is $12.99. They state up front 75 applications. The instructions on the can state “Reapply†until a patch comes out clean. No matter how you cut it, if you clean a bore with one application of Wipe-Out, and you don’t shoot any extra out the opposite end of the bore like I did when I tried it, you are limited to 75 bore cleanings at $12.99. That’s the best you can do under optimum circumstances. That’s not an experiment I did; that’s according to the company that makes and markets the product.

Wipe-Out: 75 cleanings at $12.99 = 17 cents a cleaning.

Warthog sells for $13.50 pluses $6.50 shipping and handling: $20.00 bucks a bottle.

Using 10 patches of Warthog per cleaning @ 500 cleanings = 4 cents a cleaning.

75 cleanings under optimum conditions with no spills versus 500 cleanings. Hell, you can spill 10 patches worth of Warthog on the floor and actually use 10 patches to clean and you’d still get 250 cleanings out a bottle.

Now which product is the most expensive?

You’d have to get awful sloppy with Warthog to bring it up to what Wipe-Out costs.

E-mail me your name and address and I’ll get a bottle out to you. One honest test will prove to you that Warthog sets a new standard in bore cleaning.

Right now I’m heading out on a pheasant hunt as soon as a click a button or two.

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Originally posted by RogerK:

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Originally posted by djpaintles:

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Originally posted by hoghunting:

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I dissected Wipe-Out. It’s shaving cream with a bit of ammonia. I didn’t find it as affective as advertised. Why does it need an accelerator?

Roger,

After reading your post, I took a can of Wipe-Out to the Chemistry Dept. at UT-Dallas as I graduated from there and know many of the professors. Their tests revealed absolutely NO ammonia and NO shaving cream.

I am not sure how you did your testing, but credibility is lost with inaccurate statements.

.................................DJ

That's fatual proof? RK

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Originally posted by RogerK:
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The main ingredient in Wipe-Out is Butyl Cellosolveâ„¢, chemical name: 2-Butoxyethanol. (See synonyms listed below.)

Butyl CELLOSOLVE is a clear, colorless liquid with a mild pleasant odor.

Mineral oils, water and soaps are miscible with Butyl CELLOSOLVE. (Miscible means they mix, like with shaving cream, which is an expandable soap.)

Some common uses of Butyl CELLOSOLVE:
Solvent for nitrocellulose, resins, grease and oil.
Dry cleaning.
Varnish removers.

Butyl Cellosolve is a solvent for nitrocellulose, a major component in gunpowder. No argument from me on that point. But not one word in the literature that I reviewed about Butyl Cellosolve dissolving copper. If anyone can find anything in any library or chemical journal that says Butyl Cellosolve dissolves copper, let me know. If it doesn’t dissolve copper, the can ought not say copper cleaner.

Some common household products that contain Butyl CELLOSOLVE:
Household cleaners.
Insecticides.
Laundry detergents.
Paint thinners.
Oven cleaners.
Toilet Bowl Cleaners. (Gives a whole new meaning to the term, Wipe-Out.)

Synonyms for Butyl CELLOSOLVE: (How, if used in a product, this chemical may appear on common household labels, including toilet bowl cleaners.)

2-Butoxy-1-Ethanol
2-Butoxyethanol
3-Oxa-1-Heptanol
Bucs
Butoxyethanol
Butyl Glycol
Butyl Oxitol
Dowanol EB
Ektasolve EB
Ethylene Glycol N-Butyl
Gafcol EB
Glycol Butyl Ether
Glycol Ether EB
Glycol Ether EB Acetate
Glycol Monobutyl Ether
Jeffersol EB
Monobutyl Ether Of Ethylene Glycol
Monobutyl Glycol Ether
N-Butoxyethanol
O-Butyl Ethylene Glycol
Poly-Solv EB

Except for some editorial comment, I didn’t write any of the above. Everything came from manufacturer’s literature on how this chemical is used. Members and visitors to this site can decide for themselves.

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Originally posted by RogerK:

This isn't the first bottle we’ve sent out to no cost for testing. I'm picking guys at random.

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Butyl Cellosolve is a solvent for nitrocellulose, a major component in gunpowder. No argument from me on that point. But not one word in the literature that I reviewed about Butyl Cellosolve dissolving copper. If anyone can find anything in any library or chemical journal that says Butyl Cellosolve dissolves copper, let me know. If it doesn’t dissolve copper, the can ought not say copper cleaner.