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Bossie is a lying crook. Make sure you have a contract before giving any money up. He manipulates messages to suit him and does illegal hunts. I just got back from a hunt of his for leopard in South Africa. I was told it was legit. Left him money on an elephant only to get the run around and none of my money back! He will tell you it's me but I assure you, I trusted a criminal. Not to mention he charged more than I was told. I asked him to simply return my money and I wouldn't say anything. Well, I never got my money back. Nor did I get an elephant hunt that was agreed on. Seems to me he sold my hunt for more money then tried to hook me on a hunt that was totally different for more money.

A leopard hunt in South Africa . . . this year?

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Originally posted by rtawy1980:
Bossie is a lying crook. Make sure you have a contract before giving any money up. He manipulates messages to suit him and does illegal hunts. I just got back from a hunt of his for leopard in South Africa. I was told it was legit. Left him money on an elephant only to get the run around and none of my money back! He will tell you it's me but I assure you, I trusted a criminal. Not to mention he charged more than I was told. I asked him to simply return my money and I wouldn't say anything. Well, I never got my money back. Nor did I get an elephant hunt that was agreed on. Seems to me he sold my hunt for more money then tried to hook me on a hunt that was totally different for more money.

2 posts... Large, xtra butter. It's gonna' be a late night me thinks.

BTW, what possible good does a contract accomplish with him, if he really is what you say he is?

For anyone interested, there is always three sides to each story.

Yours..Mine ..and.. The truth

Mr rtawy1980 (Ryan T. Allen) has hunted with me twice, the first time was through another outfitter who he wish to have no further contact with. The second time he booked a hunt directly with me.

As for the illegal hunting, he tried to Hunt a DCA (Damage Causing Animal) Leopard in SA with me. The tag was legally issued in the landowners name and for several reasons the Leopard was never shot.

While hunting with me in June, rtawy1980 wanted to hunt an Elephant so bad that I started making a few calls to see what was available. I did get hold of a guy that had 4 immature elephant bulls that were on a culling quota. This hunt would sell for $7000.00 for a Young elephant bull including a CITES tag. rtawy1980 wanted to go on the hunt immediately, but the permit was not yet issued in his name and not having a deposit to tie this hunt up we lost first option on these elephants.

On 13 June I got hold of another landowner who had elephants up for hunting. The price agreed upon was $10000.00 for a Non export hunt.
The landowner (As everyone else) insisted on a $1500.00 first option holding deposit.
rtawy1980 paid $1000.00 into my account and I transferred $1500.00 to the landowner. rtawy1980 was in credit for $550.00 with me from his previous hunt that he insisted not to be refunded to him at that time.

While waiting for the permit to be processed rtawy1980 went off selling some guns of his to fund the hunt. Apparently he got scammed on several occasions by buyers and a 416Ruger seller. (the 416Ruger would be used for the hunt)

On 23 July I informed rtawy1980 that the permit was about to be issued and reconfirmed the cost of the hunt.

This is where the issues started, back and forth about $7k and $10K. Then I had to hear how he sold his guns and got scammed out of money again. I gave rtawy1980 time to think the hunt over and make a decision as to what to do about his upcoming hunt.

On 31 July rtawy1980 and I agreed that I will resell the hunt and send his deposit back.

12 August I started receiving threats that he would blast the internet if I don’t pay the deposit back immediately and have his lawyer call me.
I promptly asked not to be called on a weekend and would prefer to speak to his lawyers.

2 lessons to learn here.
1. Don’t make financial decisions when you are intoxicated.
2. Don’t try to buy something you can’t afford.

Interesting....we should get two to three pages outta this

While the truth is usually somewhat in the middle...Limpopo seems to have the details on his side (thus far)

Any informed hunter should and would know there are big issues with the Leopard and Elephant right now in SA
Also, the details regarding selling guns etc to both raise money and to bring the .416 to hunt are rather specific to not be true.

The outfitters side rings true thus far

Speak for yourself and quit putting words in my mouth if there leopard hunt was on the up and up, why did you tell me not to mention that we were leopard hunting in South Africa and never did I agree upon a non exportable elephant

The bottom is Bossie doesn't have the money to pay me back and he lied about the honey I did to begin with and the previous bunny was done through outfitters not me. If you permit was in the land owners name, how is it I could shoot on his permit for leopard. I did however see Bossie pay off conservation officer on the first hunt. Should have been a clue. I have all the money for the supposed elephant hunt now and then. There never was a hunt to begin with, just a way to take my money. And why can't he pay it back

As for threats, in online taking the truth so another hunter doesn't had to go through the same thing. I mean who wants to have an 8 yr old kid tell you how to hunt and act as pH when he's nothing more than a spoiled brat who is in the way or listen to the pH wife dog him every time he's not around. Maybe I should post the messages I got from her they tell who Bossie is pretty well. And not to mention I paid ahead of time before the hunt because Bossie lied to me as to why he needed the money. Just pay back the$1500 and I'll be done

Bottom line I paid for a hunt I was misinformed about and got to take naps, babysit, and be a mediator for a husband and wife spat. I trusted Bossie and feel I was duped. Doubt I'll see the money but others should know

What I hell happened is Bossie sold me an elephant hunt on the belief I could hunt it while in Africa, but never had the hunt, let me believe this and then either sold my hunt and or tried to milk me for more money as I said I'd never do an non exportable. Dates were agreed on and as soon as I got home he started in for more money then the dates came and went and nothing. Then he claimed it's cause of a permit which I never saw in my name. He lies, manipulates and uses people. I have proof from his own wife. A real family ran business. I'm all for kids hunting but don't let them be in charge with a paying client.

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Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:

2 lessons to learn here.
1. Don’t make financial decisions when you are intoxicated.
2. Don’t try to buy something you can’t afford.

Based on the grammar in some of the responses it appears in this instance lesson # 1 might well also apply to a certain poster choosing to reply to this thread. (I'm not referring to the "financial decisions part")...

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Originally posted by rtawy1980:
The bottom is Bossie doesn't have the money to pay me back and he lied about the honey I did to begin with and the previous bunny was done through outfitters not me. If you permit was in the land owners name, how is it I could shoot on his permit for leopard. I did however see Bossie pay off conservation officer on the first hunt. Should have been a clue. I have all the money for the supposed elephant hunt now and then. There never was a hunt to begin with, just a way to take my money. And why can't he pay it back

Are you drunk?

Your posting is incoherent.

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Originally posted by rtawy1980:
What I hell happened is Bossie sold me an elephant hunt on the belief I could hunt it while in Africa, but never had the hunt, let me believe this and then either sold my hunt and or tried to milk me for more money as I said I'd never do an non exportable. Dates were agreed on and as soon as I got home he started in for more money then the dates came and went and nothing. Then he claimed it's cause of a permit which I never saw in my name. He lies, manipulates and uses people. I have proof from his own wife. A real family ran business. I'm all for kids hunting but don't let them be in charge with a paying client.

Wow, I bet any African safari operator can't wait to book you after reading this thread.

If you have been mistreated in any way then so be it you are entitled to have your say on a public forum. But mentioning another man's child and wife is stepping over a line of integrity and decency.

Just came back from my second hunt with Bossie and again have nothing but positive remarks about the complete arrangement.
As offered in the beginning of the year I booked the cull hunt in Northern Limpopo and had a challenging plainsgame experience in thick dry thornbush with exiting stalks and difficult shots in thick brush.
Absolutely not the easy way to hunt antelopes.
Wished to have brought a 9,3mm rather than a fast .300 Win.Mag.
Accommodation and Food were high quality and also wife and son enjoyed the hunt very much.

Bossie is without doubt an honest and serious person, who has a lot of hunting experience and works hard for the client´s comfort and success,
In every way he has the correctness of a reliable gentleman.

I returned from a hunt with Bossie about a week ago. He is a honest and hard working PH. His wife, son and staff were a pleasure to be around. I had a great time and am considering hunting with him again.

Dave

I don't know anyone in this thread, but I would like to learn something.

In South Africa, can someone hunt a (Damage Causing Animal) with a tag that is issued in someone else's name?

Apologies for the late reply, haven't had much time to spend on the forums

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Originally posted by COYOTE HUNTER:
I don't know anyone in this thread, but I would like to learn something.

In South Africa, can someone hunt a (Damage Causing Animal) with a tag that is issued in someone else's name?

YES

Only a landowner himself can apply for a DCA permit. If he can't do the hunt/kill himself he can transfer the hunting rights to someone else by writing a hunt permission letter. It's called "Landowners permission to hunt"

The hunting permission can be transferred to
1. a Family member
2. a Friend
3. a Worker
4. a Manager
5. a Hunting Outfitter / PH
6. a Hunter or Hunting client

Bossie, so if I understand it correctly, you sold a DCA hunt to this client?

Just trying myself to come to grips with the ins and outs of this.