just got home and must say the trip was something else. i will say i had a great time but will vent a little first. i hunted the northern province and felt wierded out about the living behind barb wire fence and big guard dog thing.i had no idea things were like that there. i didnt feel nervous but it was a shock on the ride from the airport.i wasnt blown away by the amount of animals i saw but did have oppurtunity to hunt some good plains game. things one needs to consider before they get there is whether shooting off the back of the truck or sitting on a water hole with a rifle is for them. at times in the first few days of the hunt i felt pushed a bit to do this but i refused. i could have shot a bunch of quality game off the truck but felt since i was able bodied enough i would stalk my game.in my opinion it was all about getting my animals and adding more to the package. some feel that shooting off the truck is no different than hunting and shooting from a tree stand but my tree stand doesnt race 70 mph at my local deer herds if you know what i mean. it seemed that quality of the hunt and personal ethics means little when there are animals to be sold.i wasnt impressed and it will be a while before i think of going back to africa.i was told they had a bad drought last year so maybe that was the reason for low game numbers. i would definatley look into free ranging game before going again.i never felt the animals i hunted were tame by any means but the whole fence thing isint for me. just something to consider for you first time africa hunters. in hind sight dont be a go with the flow guy.its your hunt when you arrive there. if you want to do things or hunt a certain way SPEAK UP! if you dont your ph will just try to get you animals as quickly as possible and sell you some more. its all about the benjamins. i spent half of my hunt time hunting for one good animal and it was worth it. hunt hard and dont get overwhelmed with the quantity of animals you get. enjoy the ones you are lucky enough to take. a trophy is different for everyone.

How very interesting. I have been told that this almost never happens.

just felt the need to add some more. it may not happen to you but on my hunt the PH always made me feel rushed and i felt pressured to pull the trigger.i had 6 animals in my 10 day package and i think he was pressured by his boss to bring in the animals. it didnt help while i was barely getting my gun up on the shooting sticks he was yelling SHOOT EM SHOOT EM HE IS GONNA RUN!no excuses but i did loose a nice animal because i wasnt steady on the sticks. remember you are the one sqeezing the trigger. they didnt seem to care about putting in alot of time looking for my animal after some blood was found. i told them i wanted to take a day to look and they took me out for a couple hours.when i hunt deer at home i believe in putting extra time in looking for wounded game.i hunted with my brother and even with requests to hunt together they would just set up the next days hunts up to fit there plan.its all about bringing in animals. also the PH i had was horrible at video taping the hunts. every time a shot was made the camera was pointed to the sky or something.i just couldnt get a brake on this hunt. if your heading to africa do your homework and trust no one! its your trip of a lifetime do it the way you want. its alot of time ,money and fly time to get there and many things to consider. cant say i didnt have a great time on my hunt but i felt i got taken a bit on some issues. if you want to have a great time and shoot off the truck africa is a place to do that. some people shoot all there animals at 35 yards broadside but some like my self had to work my butt off to get a 100 yard shot. i guess thats hunting

My first experience wasn't at all like that! I remember my PH asked me what I wanted to eat & drink, what type of hunting I liked, & so forth.
I told him, "I was their to experience his country's hunting, I will eat what he eats, I like cold beer, get me as close as possible & I'll be happy".
Come on, man whaddya want for todays african prices? You couldn't buy a Texas whitetail hunt for the price of ten days in RSA!

I had somewhat of the same experience on my first hunt in RSA. That's why I brought up the issues of: i. shooting from the truck, ii. shooting over water, and iii. not taking a shot you are not comfortable with in my Tips and Packing List. Sometimes the outfitter is pressuring the PH (in my case a young PH) to do business (shoot more game than planned, not follow up on wounded animals, etc.) That's why I'm not high on the RSA safari experience. It's great for first timers, if they have a good outfitter. After that, my recommendation is go somewhere else.

The client has got to take control of his safari.

liquidorange, give us the name of the outfitter and PH.

Regards,

Terry

Terry,
I agree with you 100%. A good reason to use a reputable consultant. However, I'd be willing to bet their is as many good one's as bad.

During our recent safari in NP we were asked if we wanted to hunt/shoot from the bakkie, hunt over waterholes, use spotlights for bushbuck. We did hunt over the water hole, I don't see much difference in hunting deer along a trail to a food plot, and we did see a lot of animals. Passed on shooting from truck and spotlighting and our PH seemed pleased.

We were told if we didn't like a shot, don't take it. When we missed a shot on an impala two trackers, the PH, Mike and myself make a thorough search for the beastie even in the absence of blood or other sign of injury.

We stayed in the middle of the properties that we hunted surrounded by the game fence but no other inordinate security was in place. Infact the main lodge at Mafigeni doesn't even have a wall on one side! Just an opening with a beautiful view.

I'd consider going back to RSA to hunt, but I wasn't shy about describing the way I wanted to hunt and we did some serious hoofing ( and duck walking and crawling) through the bush and still didn't get me my bushbuck.

ymmv

Rick

From the perspective of the PH/Outfitter:



Terry is dead right in saying that YOU need to take control of your hunt. Tell the PH how you want to do it rather than let him have his way in how you hunt. It's your money, you've every right. RSA turns out far too many 'plastic PHs' which means they find it difficult to gain experience. Hence things like the hysterical screams of 'shoot shoot' etc. It's a good idea when you book to get the name of the PH you will be hunting with and ask how much experience he has. If he's inexperienced or only been hunting Professionally a year or two it might be an idea to either ask for a more experienced PH or look elsewhere.



You also said that you bought a package, which tends to put more pressure on the PH as he feels he needs to ensure you get all the animals you've paid for. Packages are fine for somrthing like 1 Buffalo, but not so good for a plains game hunt where a handful of animals are included.......which is why we don't offer them.



Fences: are a real pain in the eyes, but 99% of South African hunting areas have them......and those that don't have far lower game populations. If you want to hunt in unfenced areas (which is much nicer) you (Unfortunately?) have to accept the higher prices and hunt a true wilderness area such as those that occur in Tanzania, Mozambique and other African countries.



It's always a good idea to ask for and thoroughly check references and insist on a comprehensive safari contract detailing exactly what you're getting for your money before you make any payments.



We've been using contracts for for years, but by studying Terry's posts carefully, we have been able to improve the quality of them even further, and I thank him for that.........just one of the benefits of being a forum member.

this was just not the africa i pictured. all i had in my head before going there was good herds of animals and stalking them to my hearts content.another guy in camp that week shot 5 animals in 5 days and took a total of 11 in 10 days can you guess how he hunted mostly? i should have did a search on the subject before i went. i didnt know how much of an issue this would be for myself but if i didnt speak up i would have done it there way. i didnt want to make waves or get on the wrong foot with my hosts for 10 days. i didnt have chance at an animal the first day so i was able to sleep on it and took charge the next day.i dont buy the whole price is better there to hunt so shoot em off the truck and be happy the whole thing just stinks because my first impression is bitter. the hunt i went on has so much potential but its how its packaged .am i supposed to be all taken in by just hunting in africa and seeing a couple zebra and impala here and there and shoot em off the truck? im not buying it!

Your experience was unfortunate. I have no regrets for mine. I didn't book through an agent or consultant.

I first took the recommendation of a friend that had gone the year before. I didn't like what I read between the lines in the e-mail back from his PH / Outfitter.

I tried to go through Cabela's because I had hunted with them. They couldn't tailor-make the hunt I wanted. I didn't want their packages.

I went to the web, and then tried to hook up with Swanepoel & Scandrol by phone in League City, Texas. It didn't happen.

I found Pete Swanepoel on the web, and things started falling into place. He listened. He went to work lining up the hunt I wanted, and mentioned a hunt cancellation. I changed my hunt dates and saved 50% of the cost.

When he picked me up at the airport we had two days to get a feel for each other. I enjoyed the ten days in his company, shot the kudu and gemsbok I went after, and felt no pressure to perform after the first morning when he asked me to hit the bit of paper he stuck on a tree. (I think I missed the tree as I recall. That shot got the first-time-in-Africa butterflies out of my stomach, and I settled down.) The rest was a pleasure. He had me at 500 yards from what might have been a 60" kudu. No pressure to pull the trigger and I didn't.

We came up on a really good Nyala in Pete's opinion, I passed. Pete was fine with my decision.

I did visit with some American lead-throwers and some of their PHs during the 10 days that would pressure a person to run up the trophy fees, but they weren't with me, or working for me thank goodness.

I think you have the right attitude. I hunted ten days for two animals, got them, and was very satisfied.

If I had been hunting with your man I would have had to tell him who was working for who.

Your advice is good. Got to let your PH know what kind of guy you are or he will assume you are like most of the lead-throwers he's worked with in the past.

I may or may not hunt the RSA again, but if I do I know who I'll be hunting with.

Liquidorange,

good for you, I like your style.

RSA in many respects is "Africa for beginners". Wait till you get to hunt Tanzania, Botswana or Mozambique......then you'll really appreciate how great a True Wilderness Area really is, and you'll probably never hunt RSA or any fenced area again.

all in all i had a good time just not my cup of tea for return visits. i will check into some of the other african options down the road. some hunters may never have a second chance at going to africa so i thought i would share some of my begginer thoughts. the outfitter i used is easy enough to find out and i dont want to bash them as they are a good outfit i just think they werent ready for a hard working pain in the butt jersey guy. seriously accomidations are top notch as well as the food although i probably lost 10 pounds going on my death marchs for game.they had the best prices although i didnt feel i saw game like it should be. they were friendly and helpful overall but the trip just didnt add up as a whole experience.i could almost swear though that they ran mine and my brothers w-2 or tax return forms because my brother who has a fatter wallet than i got pampered to the exteme the second he walked through the compound. it was obviously funny!he had his own worker assigned to him all day long.he couldnt open the truck door without him. it was funny to watch him jump through hoops and stay glued to his every need. my brother was good with it and we joked about it the whole time.my brother hunted with the owner of the ranch and got his package and then some. i got a refund on my wart hog because i had no opputunity and let my brother shoot my steenbok off the truck just because it was the last few hours of the hunt and i wanted to see this shooting off the truck thing in action. i took home 3 hard earned animals. a zebra , kudu and impala.the last 2 making the sci book so i was told. so thats it! venting is done and if i get a chance i will post a few pictures thanks all for listening.

Two things follow this string of posts. First and for most don't expect to hunt outside of RSA (Namibia excepted) for less that close to double what RSA plains game hunt cost. Second it sounds like your brother is easier to get on with than you. That dosen't only mean shooting from the truck. Someome must have sensed this right from the get go as you said as soon as you entered the property. Maybe I missed something but that is my read to this whole string.

o.k. i guess i will have to get a little into details. i didnt want to go there but i will try to explain. my ph picked me and my brother up from the airport.we joked arouind and everything was warm and fuzzy and it was evident from the second i walked through the doors of the ranch the owner met us and said within the first couple of minutes to my brother you will be hunting with me. i thought this was very odd for right off the bat. my brother was also assigned a hired help to see to his every need. this was way before anyone had a chance to even know or talk talk with me . this is indeed very suspicious.this reminds me of the days when shady car salesman would run your whole lifes history before you stepped in the door and then handed you( not known to you ) a different colored ballon to hold onto based on your income so the salesmen knew who had the more money to spend.i can smell something funny! my brother also indicated on his questionaire before the hunt he was interested in adding extra animals to his package. maybe this was the reason for the presidential treatment. still no reason to not give me the treatment either but as i said before its all about the benjamins and i will just hunt elsewhere in the future.its there loss not mine because i had at least several first time africa hunters interested in hunting with them and i cant give them the thumbs up.i also want tell you my brother shot only one animal off the truck and that was on the last day at my request because there were only a couple hours left of the hunt and he didnt mind. im not beating up those who hunt off the truck it was just how i was treated.i also want to say the guy in camp before us was able to take his kudu on a smaller flat land concession while i was always sent to hunt in the mountains for mine which involved much more time and work and longer drive time.again this guy shot 11 animals in 10 days and i cant help but think he was put in an area to maximize his time to get extra animals. i spent 5 days up and down those mountains and im damn proud of my 50 inch kudu. at least i know it wasnt one of those hand fed corn pets they try to sell you. if youve had a great time hunting the fences in south africa im happy for you but i will dream of hunting other places only next time i will do more homework

I think you can be proud of your Kudu. I believe that if you worked hard for your animal on a hunt you will never forget that hunt. What is also true is that no animal is tied to a tree that is why thyey are called wild animals. The days of enless herds of animals is long gone. If you hunt on foot be prepared to work for your animals. I'm do not believe in hunting from a vehicle or at a watering hole.

If you and your btother paid the same rate you should have been treated the same. You pay for a specific service and it's got nothing to do with who's got the most money, if you paid for a service you must get that service.

I treat all hunters the same in a hunting party, I might talk more with one particular hunter because we have more common intrests, but one must remember that there is also other hunters that must get your attention. Fair is fair.

Jaco Human
SA Hunting Experience
www.sahuntexp.co.za
jacohu@mweb.co.za

I had a very similar experience in the Northern Province a couple of years ago. Inexperienced PH, fences, hard sell etc. I won't be going back, it soured the South African experience for me. I have hunted Zim several times and that is a completely different kettle of fish. Hunting as it should be, on foot, no pressure and always professional.
Ed

For some reason it appears you feel slighted, like you were picked last for kickball? Before you even arrived, I'm sure you were both scheduled for a certain PH. Nothing to be taken personally.

I must ask, does your brother feel the same way about the trip?

Not trying to ruffle feathers, but from reading your posts, it appears that it wasn't as much the outfitter, as it was Africa on a whole not being what you expected.

"Not trying to ruffle feathers, but from reading your posts, it appears that it wasn't as much the outfitter, as it was Africa on a whole not being what you expected."

BINGO!

My hunting partner has this tendency also and gets rather surly when reality rears its ugly head. The higher the expectation the further the fall. I say chalk one up to experience and move on even if you are from New Jersey.

i talked to my brother today and he actually brought some of the the hunt issues up.i thought his trip experience was way better than mine. i purposely tried not to even bring the subjects up that were rough spots on the trip because i wasnt gonna kill his experience in the wilds of the fences of south africa. im begining to think he feels much the same way i do and in some cases more so ( not going into details).his last coment before i left his house was somethimng about us heading to the wilds of alaska and keeping things within our countries borders as far as future hunts. guess he wasnt into the south african way of doing things either. i can still hear SHOOT EM SHOOT EM SHOOTEM in my head

The final decision on whether to go back to Africa or not is yours alone. But if you decide never to hunt Africa again based opn this your first hunt, then you just don't know what you are missing. Just cause you watched a bad movie doesn't mena you will never watch another one!

Next time, do a bit more research and get first hand information on an outfitter or country before you choose the destination and outfitter/ph. There are many that will exceed your expectations.

I am beginning to run hunts to south africa in the capacity of co-ordinator and outfitter. All my hunts (2 so far)have been on what you describe as "fenced areas" still i encourage all my guests to stalk as it is a good hunting experience. Any hunter may refuse any shot which he feels is unsporting. To some hunters shooting from a vehicle is as challenging as shooting from sticks after a stalk due to inexperience or physical challenges.

We have a simple rule. rather not shoot if you think you'd wound and not kill. all wounded animals are followed up on to the best of our ability. I encourage all my guests to think for themselves and our staff hunters are there to provide knowledge, guidance and support, not to pressure one into shooting. We are not in it for the size of the trophy (at least i'm not). I feel that it is the stalk and the tension of the moments before the shot that are the most fun. Spending time in the bush and a successful , ethical kill is what we aim for, not a high number of animals in the bag.As a guest I am there to relax, not to be pressured, we all get enough of that out of africa. You may have had an unfortunate experience.

We would like to think that we impart the experiences of africa and create wonderful memories for all our guests, many who go on to become personal friends.

We aim that our exclusive hunts do it all in great style and i am truly happy if you chose to shoot or not shoot as long as you have tried your best and had a great time doing it, it really doesn't matter how big the horns are or how many you have in the bag.

In future i would reckon that you need to talk to your outfitter and your ph to make sure their principles in the hunt suit you. Good luck and great hunting.

cheers, tm

The thing about RSA hunting is th diversity of it! You can get small Northern Province properties where you cruise the same roads day after day sipping coke and looking for something to shoot (been there, done that) and there are also huge, untamed areas that happen to be fenced. This is irrelevent as some of them are over 50000 hectares (not acres) in size, all game is natural and roads are scarce. The bottom line is: go on a good reference. Make sure you know someone that has hunted there, as all PHs now have websites and brochures that make them look very professional. I am sorry you felt a little rushed, and that the economic aspect of the transaction dominated your hunt, but don't write off fenced areas until you have given it a decent chance, they still represent the best value and least hassle of any African hunting experience.

Just a couple things of note.

You don't like the "fence thing", why? Most have the misconception that it makes the hunting easier, yet it appears you had to really work hard for your animals, so what was the issue with the fence? You don't like that someone else got to go to a different property for Kudu where it was "easier" to hunt them and you had to work for yours. Again, I would think this would detract from the fence issue.

You really seem to be hung up on how others were treated rather then worrying about enjoying your own hunt. Just like in life, you will never be happy, if you are always measuring yourself against anothers ruler.

It really seems that how hunts are run in RSA is the issue, but more of a personal thing. If I had to guess, I would say that you thought after getting off the plane you would be in the wilds of darkest Africa and look across a Savanna to see herds of Wildebeest, Zebra and what not. But when you got off the plane you saw city, drove by shanties and ended up hunting in bush. Not what you had expected. I've been through the same, but difference being I can have a good time fishing in a mud puddle.

Only thing that I would have taken issue with that you have posted, is the PH coaxing me to shoot, most of the time it's a miscommunication with you and your PH. All you need to do is make it clear you will shoot when you are comfortable with the shot. Some PH's feel they have to prod people, since many hunters seem to get "big eyes" on their first hunt in Africa, where they pull the scope up and stare and stare and stare until someone snaps them out of it and get's them to pull the trigger.

Expectations of Afrcia are a hard thing to manange.

RSA has some great hunting, but it's only fair to say that it's at it's best for plains game hunts. In many ways it's Africa for beginners......but you'll have to go a long way to find a country that is as good as RSA for that. Sure there are a few people who will offer what they can't deliver on the hunting front, but what country or industry doesn't have those types. Most of us offer an excellent hunting experience to our clients.

As to the crime here......well, you can get murdered, raped or robbed anywhere in the world and the chances of it happening only really increase if you go to the wrong place or do the wrong thing at the wrong time. If a person is cautious about how he (or she) behaves then there should be no problems whatsoever.......I can honestly say that I personally know (or rather knew) more people who have been killed by Elephants in RSA than have been killed by criminals.

I'd really appreciate your letting us know exactly who you hunted with and who your outfitter was. Without being disrespectful, you could be any sixteen-year old, anti-hunter out there who wants to raise a stink about fences. Maybe I missed it in your posts, but I'd like to know.

Frankly, I've done a lot of hunting is RSA, and have had only one "bad" experience, and that wasn't so much the fault of the outfitter or ph, the zebra just like to back up to a fence corner realizing that his back was covered there, and I did not take the shot. My other hunts, were farming country hunts on tens of thousands of acres in which fences existed but were not an issue.

Most of the legit operators in RSA want the government to prohibit landowners under a certain size from being able to game fence their land for the very reasons you raise. And most legit RSA operators hunt on extremely large ranches/farms. I am sorry that you had a bad experience, but please don't tar all RSA operators with the same brush.

It goes back to using legitimate outfitters here and checking references. Above all, checking references. Ku-dude

I will make sure I ask around you blokes for references before I go on a hunt. I wouldnt want to be bummed out by being stuck with a redneck slob PH. I recentley got guided around on a Red Deer hunt and the guide was great. Taught me lots about deer behaviour and habits. We drove passed a good buck but he said there was no way we were going to jump out of the car and get him, which was great by me. I just have to make sure I,m very fit when I go out after deer with him again. I hope my African hunt is like that.

Verewaaier-You can count me among the many hunters here who love South Africa. I too was surprised, but not dismayed, at my first look at Jo'burg when I stepped off the plane. But one has to look beyond that. Two hours north of Jo'burg or Durban you're in the bush, so to speak, and that's what it's all about. Also, it needs to be known, and accepted, that different animals favor different habitat. For instance, you won't find Black Wildebeest or Springbok or Blesbok, and others in heavy brush. That's just not their preferred habitat. By the same token, you won't find Kudu out strolling about on the open plains. I guess what I'm getting at, is one needs to check references. I always ask the outfitter for a list of all persons who hunted with him in the last year, and I call or email every single one of them. Make sure you ask the right questions, and if you don't like the answers, move on to someone else that fills your needs. No need to take the first outfitter that comes along.

I have heard more SHOOT EM SHOOT EM in the western US than I have ever heard in RSA. In the west if you don't shoot when the "guide" tells you, give it a day and you are an outcast in camp. I have never had this happen in RSA. I have one question. IF you don't like fences how do you live in Jorsey?

just to let you know ive been hunting since age ten and im not beating up the fences in south africa at all! i will admit to throwing a couple minor digs in so i must appologize. i think south africa is great! and has potential but its only a certain few experiences while i was there that has bittered me but im trying to move on. since there are 2 people on this board who keep coming back at me( me thinks its my hunting agents?-- you guys are too easy to pick out) anyway im not being sneaky i told you i would write about my experience and heres a little explaination of first time safari hunters for any dummies! putting animals behind a fence creates a buy and sell market that can be controlled. thats why the outfit( no names) i used could guarantee me 6 plains game animals in 10 days ( although they didnt come through !!!).they also didnt allow this package for bow hunters which i think is wrong but thats another story. if i hunted free range animals i doubt if the guarantees would be the same and i knew that. thats why there are very few guaranteed hunts in the states because its mostly free ranging animals.another interesting fact about my trip now that i think of it had to do with free ranging game.i was told by my ph that free ranging impala were available to hunt.i told him that would be great and count me in but after days of hunting kudu his comments were that his boss told him that we couldnt hunt for the free ranging game and i was taken to another area. i was go with the flow at this point in my trip and i did stalk and take an impala. funny thing that i keep getting told to just talk to your ph and let them know what you want and things will be okee dokee. i did just that but look what happened anyway! if you think i was wrong about being nice and putting up with things the way they were at half way through my trip i dont know what to tell you.i got over things and just tried to enjoy my hunt for myself and my brothers sake. i wasnt kicking and screaming during my trip and i wrote about my experience to inform others of some situations that may occur and how they may want to deal with issues before they leave and while in south africa. i joked around with my ph shot animals and had a good time.im done explaining at this time for the last time. if any of you want to hunt the wilds of the jersey pine barrens i would be glad to show you around.not that it matters but there are no fences in my part of jersey and most of the state is state parks and free gamelands and just as wild as any jungle in africa. (you havent seen our mosquitoes) i didnt hunt in africa with the mc donalds of hunting ranches but may have been served the dollar value meal

Mikeh416Rigby

Thanks for your reply. I have realised that you have made a very good marketing suggestion when you said:

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I always ask the outfitter for a list of all persons who hunted with him in the last year, and I call or email every single one of them.

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I'm very proud to say that I'm happy to provide details of every single huter who has ever hunted with me. Some of these hunts were well before general use of e-mail, but I have e-mail addresses or other details of some of them. For my more recent clients the contact data is more comprehensive.

May I make a guess and say that if an Outfitter does not give you a list of at least quite a few names in response to your request you then assume that one of the following applies:
(1) He has only a very small number of clients per year and should be watched very carefully?
(2) He has left out some names of the clients with which all did not go so well?

Well, it is up to the AR members and visitors who are possible future visiting hunters in South Africa to contact me and call my bluff.

Verewaier,

Liquidorange, I sent you a PM. Please take a look and reply. You have to go to "My Home" to view the PM. Thanks, Rufous.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

A few times the point was raised of the number of animals killed in so many days.

I assume it was meant to show how easy it is to just drive up to the animals and shoot them.

I have hunted the Chete safari area in Zimbabwe - which is the toughest area I have ever hunted.

And on that concession, I have shot more animals in 22 days than I have shot anywhere else.

I always hunted at the end of the season, and the PH was kind enough to let me shoot whatever I wished as long as he still had it on his quota.

And because of the difficulty of that area, many hunters who come before us tend to go empty handed, especially on buffalo and elephants.

During one hunt we shot 74 animals, including 12 buffalo and two elephants. And I can assure you none of them was easy.

All had to be tracked from either cutting their tracks on the road, or from the waterholes, for several hours.

I believe in that old saying. "Do what the Romans do"

When I hunt in Zimbabwe or Tanzania, and we follow an animal for several ours and might get a chance at a shot at him, I take.

If I am hunting in South Africa, and the PH says it is OK to shoot from the truck to clear the grass, I take it.

At the end of the day, I just take the options that are available to me, and enjoy my hunt.

A friend of mine who has heart problems, and has been to Africa at least ten times, says his best hunt was in South Africa, because he could shoot from the back of the truck.

The final choice is always yours whether to pull the trigger or not. At least that has been my own experience after 13 African hunts.

At no time have I ever felt that I was forced to shoot.

i also think its funny that before the trip my agent was so much in contact with me and demanded pictures when i got back. i havent heard from him at all after i told him how my trip went. do you think i would make a good reference