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I got it, just didn't look at it through that lens before.

My original statement is below. Followed by my eyes being open a little wider farther down the page.
 
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. . . I guess some people like to grumble that roses have thorns too. Roll Eyes

. . . ever wonder why there are fewer and fewer hunt reports . . . please see above. 2020


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Yep, agree with Mike.

If an outfitter writes a report, great. If it is in error, I suspect that the loyal folks on AR will quickly put him in his place.

It is a "free" forum. I like to see the outfitters version of a hunt. Yes, it is advertising, but so are the offers in the "hunts for sale section".
 
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I have been going over to SA since 2006 and although I am not the Outfitter I do work for the Outfitter. I did post a review of my trip this year but I was doing that more in support of Hammer bullets. I haven't posted hunting reports in the past because I didn't want to get grilled for posting as the Outfitter or an employee of. The post this year I made it clear I was part of the company and was biased in my support of our business. I enjoyed doing the recap but probably won't do another one as I would rather see them from our clients!


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Posts: 886 | Location: Tennessee, USA | Registered: 11 January 2004Reply With Quote
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I think it is great that outfitters share their success with us here.

If any does not agree with a specific post, they are free to air their side.

I would be careful of reports by outfitters on websites where they are protected because they pay a fee.

They do not do that on AR, so they have no protection from those who might not agree with them.


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I like when Outfitter's share a report. I have never been bothered at all by it and have no idea why it would bother someone. If I do not like it, I quit reading it and move on.

I like reading all the reports on AR. It is the main reason I like this site so much.

As far as "free advertising"??? I say good for them. I want to see good Outfitters succeed and be
able to provide for their families.

Outfitters:

Please, by all means continue to post your hunt reports. I enjoy all of them!
 
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Obviously they are doing it to drum up business. BUT I do read the reports and look at the pictures. Do your due diligence BEFORE booking ANY Hunt. Area's change all the time.
 
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I think it is awesome that outfitters wrote reports. It is always good to see the hints from another angle. The Mokore reports are a perfect example of just facts but great reporting and a good read.
 
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BWW,

I find your post to have no point unless the point is to stir. All the advertising is free on AR whether it be a straight up ad or a hunt report written by one of us in the business. From my point of view the more info that is out there the easier it is for a hunter to make an informed choice.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
I have noticed that there are lots of outfitters writing hunting reports.

Some are complete horseshit and basically free advertising, where the outfitter shows off the stuff killed by every client. I have never given any outfitter photos, beyond a photo of the rifle and dead game. I am not paying you thousands of dollars to be part of your advertising game.

Some are "end of season" reports, not completely guilt free but 100% better, than the above.

Then we get the 3rd party friend reports, 99.9% of those are bullshit. Where a safari may not have even happened. Especially on new outfitters to AR.

Of course we still "most thankfully" have genuine reports.

What do you guys think of the outfitters posting reports beyond "my client shot this, isn't it lovely?" I can manage that level of free advertising.

If I went on a safari and the outfitter was posting nightly reports to AR while I was there, I wouldn't like it. It gives the client very little room to voice a concern later on.

Getting to be the norm eh?


I'm one of those outfitters that occasionally share photos and sometimes stories of a hunt.

To be clear

1. Clients sign a waiver prior to a hunt allowing me to use their photos for advertising purposes. No one has ever objected but if they did I would omit the clause and simply wouldn't use their photos.

2. Every client who's photos/stories I've shared, I've asked their permission first. Everyone has been happy to have some part of their hunt shared on. Most if not all of them aren't members on AR and if they were, I'd let them write a report if they wished.

3. It's not a review of my business. I wouldn't insult the intelligence of AR members in such an obvious way. It's pretty clear who the author is.

4. The advertising may be free but the input of AR members make it one of the most honest forms of advertising there is. If you've ever opened up your business to the scrutiny of social media you'll know what I mean.


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Posts: 407 | Location: South Africa | Registered: 12 February 2012Reply With Quote
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I'm in favor of outfitter reports as long as the hunter has given them permission.
 
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BWW,

I find your post to have no point unless the point is to stir. All the advertising is free on AR whether it be a straight up ad or a hunt report written by one of us in the business. From my point of view the more info that is out there the easier it is for a hunter to make an informed choice.

Mark



Exactly.....

I don't see anything wrong with outfitters reports. It is a business they're in after all. If they want to show how there season has gone, more power to them. I've never felt imposed upon because my picture has been used.

Like Mark said it's also a good tool to use to research a future hunt. Besides most clients will never write up their hunts on any forum and in my mind it's interesting to see how others did on their hunt.


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Originally posted by Victor Watson:
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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
I have noticed that there are lots of outfitters writing hunting reports.

Some are complete horseshit and basically free advertising, where the outfitter shows off the stuff killed by every client. I have never given any outfitter photos, beyond a photo of the rifle and dead game. I am not paying you thousands of dollars to be part of your advertising game.

Some are "end of season" reports, not completely guilt free but 100% better, than the above.

Then we get the 3rd party friend reports, 99.9% of those are bullshit. Where a safari may not have even happened. Especially on new outfitters to AR.

Of course we still "most thankfully" have genuine reports.

What do you guys think of the outfitters posting reports beyond "my client shot this, isn't it lovely?" I can manage that level of free advertising.

If I went on a safari and the outfitter was posting nightly reports to AR while I was there, I wouldn't like it. It gives the client very little room to voice a concern later on.

Getting to be the norm eh?


I'm one of those outfitters that occasionally share photos and sometimes stories of a hunt.

To be clear

1. Clients sign a waiver prior to a hunt allowing me to use their photos for advertising purposes. No one has ever objected but if they did I would omit the clause and simply wouldn't use their photos.

2. Every client who's photos/stories I've shared, I've asked their permission first. Everyone has been happy to have some part of their hunt shared on. Most if not all of them aren't members on AR and if they were, I'd let them write a report if they wished.

3. It's not a review of my business. I wouldn't insult the intelligence of AR members in such an obvious way. It's pretty clear who the author is.

4. The advertising may be free but the input of AR members make it one of the most honest forms of advertising there is. If you've ever opened up your business to the scrutiny of social media you'll know what I mean.


Victor, thank you for the information. I had not painted that picture in my mind.

It is easy to see who the scumbags are.
 
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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
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Originally posted by Victor Watson:
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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
I have noticed that there are lots of outfitters writing hunting reports.

Some are complete horseshit and basically free advertising, where the outfitter shows off the stuff killed by every client. I have never given any outfitter photos, beyond a photo of the rifle and dead game. I am not paying you thousands of dollars to be part of your advertising game.

Some are "end of season" reports, not completely guilt free but 100% better, than the above.

Then we get the 3rd party friend reports, 99.9% of those are bullshit. Where a safari may not have even happened. Especially on new outfitters to AR.

Of course we still "most thankfully" have genuine reports.

What do you guys think of the outfitters posting reports beyond "my client shot this, isn't it lovely?" I can manage that level of free advertising.

If I went on a safari and the outfitter was posting nightly reports to AR while I was there, I wouldn't like it. It gives the client very little room to voice a concern later on.

Getting to be the norm eh?


I'm one of those outfitters that occasionally share photos and sometimes stories of a hunt.

To be clear

1. Clients sign a waiver prior to a hunt allowing me to use their photos for advertising purposes. No one has ever objected but if they did I would omit the clause and simply wouldn't use their photos.

2. Every client who's photos/stories I've shared, I've asked their permission first. Everyone has been happy to have some part of their hunt shared on. Most if not all of them aren't members on AR and if they were, I'd let them write a report if they wished.

3. It's not a review of my business. I wouldn't insult the intelligence of AR members in such an obvious way. It's pretty clear who the author is.

4. The advertising may be free but the input of AR members make it one of the most honest forms of advertising there is. If you've ever opened up your business to the scrutiny of social media you'll know what I mean.


Victor, thank you for the information. I had not painted that picture in my mind.

It is easy to see who the scumbags are.



My understanding is the scumbags avoid AR like the plague clap

The ones who do take and wrong turn and end up here do not last very long! beer


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BWW,

I find your post to have no point unless the point is to stir. All the advertising is free on AR whether it be a straight up ad or a hunt report written by one of us in the business. From my point of view the more info that is out there the easier it is for a hunter to make an informed choice.

Mark


My original point was that I thought that outfitters writing reports kind of shit the pot, and soiled the waters.

I had not thought of you and Vic's points. I guess since AR is free and most people (including myself most of the time) are smart enough to see the difference the truth will out.
 
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Hunting reports can be very informative regardless who posts them provided the poster is upfront and unbiased, as a report coming from a dodgy outfitter, may be just that.
 
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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
BWW,

I find your post to have no point unless the point is to stir. All the advertising is free on AR whether it be a straight up ad or a hunt report written by one of us in the business. From my point of view the more info that is out there the easier it is for a hunter to make an informed choice.

Mark


My original point was that I thought that outfitters writing reports kind of shit the pot, and soiled the waters.

I had not thought of you and Vic's points. I guess since AR is free and most people (including myself most of the time) are smart enough to see the difference the truth will out.


Thank you. Your point has some merit and is a good reminder to us outfitters that do write reports to stick to the facts and pictures and make sure it's clear to everyone who the author is.


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It doesn't bother me at all. Given the reduced volume of reports, it is good to see what is happening in the various areas.
 
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I just finished two hunts with two of the AR members and one asked me if I would be able to post his hunt report if he was to send it to me in an email.
Although most of us know how to post and reply, not everyone is able to do so themselves.
 
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