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I'll be keeping an eye on this one. [quote=Joe Horn of the ArkansasShooters E-list digest] I'm trying to verify this and trying to get more info. As soon as I canI'll get back to the list. The mention in there that the Probable Causefor the warrant was withheld means there was a snitch involved. FYI. Joe H. LA Gun Task Force Serves another Search Warrant The LA County Gun Task Force has served another search warrant on the home of another member of the fifty caliber community. On Monday September18th, eighteen police cars swarmed the neighborhood where the FCSA member lives and served a search warrant signed by Judge Steven Kleifield of the LACounty Superior Court. The officers were at the residence for several hours and confiscated all semi-automatic firearms belonging to the victim.The probable cause for issuing the search warrant was not available in the body of the affidavit so the reason for the search is unknown at this time. It should be noted the LA Gun Task Force used "High Risk" entry tactics by sending a SWAT Entry team to make the initial entry into the victim's residence. Gun owners in LA County need to be prepared to expect these kinds of entry tactics and respond to commands from any officers if you are contacted. FCI wants everyone to be aware that the LA County Gun Task Force is lead by agents from BATFE; LAPD and LASO. They appear to have focused their attention on members of the fifty caliber community and are aggressively trying to arrest law abiding citizens for just being "Gun Owners". In the situation that occurred this past Monday the victim had his entire firearms collection seized and he was told charges are going to be filed because he had in his possession linked ammunition in quantities of more than 10 rounds of ammunition at a time. This has been interpreted as a violation of the "High Capacity Magazine" portion of the Assault Weapons Act in CA. The victim owns a Semi-auto M2; a semi-auto M3 and a 30 caliber semi-auto 1919. Everyone living in California needs to pay attention to what is happening in Los Angeles. This can happen to you simply because someone who knows about your firearms calls the LA Gun Task Force and gives them information they interpret as a violation of the Draconian Gun Laws they have been passing for the last five years. We are asking everyone to review what you have in your gun safe or workshop. Take the time to find out what is against the law and what is not. Remember, our first reported incident was over a flash hider on an M-1A and some armor piercing projectiles. Don't let this happen to YOU. We are not able to identify the person involved in the incident on Monday or give you any more info about the circumstances about what occurred at this time. We will advise and update as we can.[/quote] The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject. - Marcus Aurelius - | ||
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I think I'd get the fuck out of that state, for alot of reasons. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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I lived there for a year. Great weather, great people, great hunting opportunities. It's just full of people who are mis-educated (not uneducated) about guns, hunting and shooting. we shouldn't give up on someplace, especially if it's something worth keeping. Californina is a stronghold of the anti-gunner. With a good strategy and good people we can get it back. Join the NRA. (The FCSA.org website is down...  ) | |||
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The problems here in Cal are within the large metro areas where the liberals out number the rest of us and always vote in stupid laws dreamed up by the demonrats and they keep these antigunners in office.The rest of the state away from the metro areas is very conservative but with far fewer voters.I looked up the ca assault weapons info covers weapons with belted or linked ammo but I think they're stetching the 10 round magazine violation but nothing surprises me when the assault weapons bill was approved the state ag,couldn't interpret the law they passed.Rifles were seized that had to be returned to the owners. | |||
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This gentleman is also going to be on probation for at least 3 years, and, loose his right to bear arms during that period, and, maybe forever, in this state... GS | |||
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What was he convicted of??? | |||
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Not convicted just arrested. | |||
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So this is just idle speculation...
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I wouldn't go that far if he gets one of the attys who advertise in the Cal Rifle & Pistol Association mag they may get it overturned.I've seen far too many raids with le officers stating they confiscated assault rifles that were legal bolt action or semiauto rifles.Lots of military surplus ammo comes in link belt didn't know that was considered part of the 10 round magazine law. | |||
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California is one of the centers of American Socialism. The majority of the urban population has bought the Fabian Socialism of the university system hook, line and sinker. I was born and raised in SoCal and there are many things I love about the area, but the sad truth is that California is lost to the Socialists. There are pockets of resistance in San Diego and in some of the inland areas, but the urban areas are just divorced from reality and are relentlessly anti-Capitalist. When you point out the historical folly of their beliefs, they just get a glazed look in their eyes, and say something that begins with "everybody knows that ...". The simple truth is that the American university system has made Socialism cool, even though they don't call their beliefs Fabian Socialism. The beliefs have been installed via the process of social conformity and "coolness" as opposed to a process of analytical reasoning. The urban centers are controled by the university Socialists who direct the urban poor mob during elections. Which is why you see what you see in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and other metro areas. Stop calling the doctrine "Liberalism." It has nothing to do with Classical Liberalism and is merely Fabian Socialism by another name. Eventually, I couldn't take it any more and moved out of state. analog_peninsula analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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California is a complete rat hole. The best that could happen is a huge earth quake that would drop it into the sea. [/QUOTE] | |||
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Yep, I'm just about out of here myself. Away from L.A or San Fran/Oakland or Sacramento, it is actually a more conservative state. I can't wait until the commie hippies that run this state die off. -eric " . . . a gun is better worn and with bloom off---So is a saddle---People too by God." -EH | |||
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Yep, those are all the reasons why when my employer offered a transfer out of the People's Republic of Cali I jumped at it. Back then they wouldn't even allow me to bring my Steyr-AUG or SIG-AMT into the state because I had bought them after the first Cali AWB, and I wasn't even a Cali resident then. Yeppers, Cali is lost to the Socialists, Lefties, Kiche eaters, and the likes, all who know better than we. After all doesn't Cali have drive by shootings with .50 Barretts and .50 Bolt guns everynight?? And while I'm at it, more shootem ups with Winchester 1892s and Springfield Trap doors? Maybe someone should go out to the Angeles Crest Shooting ranges and see the gang types practicing with their Ruger 10/22s and cheap handguns. I can remember scaring the xxxxx out of a few when I showed them how to rapid fire a 1918 vintage .303 rifle. I hope that deterred at least one home invasion. Nope, get out of Cali and let them rot in their own juices. LLS  | |||
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i love your oppinion! 
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I say; after we finish working the bugs out of the neutron bomb and do the test run in the middle east, at least the first two hundred of so, we deplete the inventory in Kalifornia. Doesn't radiate the ground or even tear up property...just kills the population. One way to deal with the illegals there...what's a little collateral damage if it's for the good of the ocuntry? Rich DRSS | |||
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Yeah, well, there are still a few good ol' boys here trying to keep things running, and who can't leave due to family obligations. In fact, away from L.A, San Fran, Oakland, and Sac, the rest of California is pretty conservative. Besides, with California gone, where do you think the illegals will go? Might be a good idea to drop one in one of those inbred states too, though, like Idaho, but just the populated areas, so that there can be more hunting tags for non-residents.  What do you think?Best way to keep the illegals out is to do just that: keep them out (e.g. close the porous boader between Mexico and Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. But, if places like San Fran, Oakland, and LA were to drop off in the Ocean, I would not lose any sleep over it, to be honest. -eric " . . . a gun is better worn and with bloom off---So is a saddle---People too by God." -EH | |||
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SCR83JP, Please tell me about all the raids you have seen where bolt action rifles were confiscated as assualt weapons. Mike  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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With all of the wet backs flocking to California, it won't be long before they form an even larger voting block and you can kiss that state goodbye! I am glad that i left there and will never return. | |||
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Been to america many times, i have always heard bad things about caliphony...  More missing children out there, than anywhere in america... Many freakes are going there to be "discovered"... Quote: "Never been to california, don`t intent to go either" John wayne in the "searchers" No law west of missisippi, no god west of pecos...  DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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I'm with fla3006, I wouldn't live there, go to the midwest, the mountains or Tx. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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LE raid photos in local papers showed confiscated weapons from bangers some were sks's but most were bolt action or semiauto hunting rifles.FYI I spent 3+ decades in LE .You should spend some time reading and examining newpapers especially when raids with weapons are confiscated take a close look. | |||
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SCR83JP, If you are relying on the media to accurately identify under what authority (or law) something was confiscated, my suggestion would be you change your source of information. The majority of all search warrants served by law enforcement (as you probably know)are for drug related offenses. Usuallly, possesion for sales. If there is probable cause to believe that firearms are in the location to be searched, then firearms will be listed on the search warrant. There are various reasons why they are listed on the warrant. The weapons you are seeing being seized could be because the location is under the control of an ex-felon or someone is under a retsraining order or the weapons could have been seen during the drug transactions that led to the warrant. I would think you would know this. The likelihood that the media accurately reported why something was seized is about 20% at best. You can also be assured that if the reporter saw one weapon with a black synthetic stock he classified everything as being seized as an assualt weapon. It sells newspapers and boosts ratings. If there are three guns seized and one is seized under an assualt weapons law and on is seized because you have an ex-felon with a gun, and one is seized because it is stolen...do you think the media is going to get that all correct. I too have a fair amount of time in LE and have probably executed 100 search warrants and wrote probaly a dozen press releases when there was anything significant. The media doesn't even get it right when you send it to them. Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I second the motion I hope California ( at least LA) sinks into the ocean with all the crazies , dopers and gun grabbers. | |||
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Here's another example of anti-50cal hysteria. The recent incident at St.John's U in NYC.He carried a 50 cal muzzle loader to the school.One of the newspapers then published a photo of a Barrett !!! Of course this is NY where the first attempt to destroy the World Trade Center was done with a bomb but Senator Schumer said 'this shows we need more gun control'.  | |||
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It's interesting that I started this thread just over a year ago. The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject. - Marcus Aurelius - | |||
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No "Assault Rifles", No .50 Cal, No LEAD!, No shall issue CCW, No High Capacity Mags, No Castle Doctrine. One piece at a time folks, one piece at a time. | |||
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You're right. It's gone, gone, gone. You're quite welcome here in our extremely gun-friendly state of Florida, although we don't have any 1000 yard ranges. Real estate is just too valuable. Come on down. We do, however have hurricanes. No earthquakes, though. | |||
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A fantastic semi auto 50 BMG gun is made by Barrett. Very popular. I notice that Barrett will not sell his guns to ANYONE in Cal, law enforcement included. Jack Hood DRSS | |||
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Not anymore, he won't. Had somee of my LE buddies pissed, but they understand too. We don't even have a place to shoot them around here any more. -eric " . . . a gun is better worn and with bloom off---So is a saddle---People too by God." -EH | |||
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I wonder what the "kid from Brooklyn.com " would have to say about the sons of bitches in fucking california. One more reason for a massive earthquake let all those basturds slide into the ocean. The latest ban on lead bullets also bans all .22Rimfire. FUCKING IDIOTS. My truck is 50 state legal for emissions. I will shoot myself before ever driving to cali. Maybe I should got to the border and spew some giant black unburned diesel smoke clouds just out of reach of their law enforcement. I am reminded of an article in American Rifleman describing the state of problems in the UK. The UK olympic shooting team has to go to France(by the way fuck those gutless basturds too)to practice as they are not allowed to in their own country. I would immediately become a Citizen of the United States of Texas  We Band of Bubbas N.R.A Life Member TDR Cummins Power All The Way Certified member of the Whompers Club | |||
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Oh, but we do, we do have a 1000 yard range in FL. Any rifle, up to 20mm, is welcome. There is a separate sub-gun range, and submachine gun shoots on occasion, too. Manatee Gun Club "The irony is, if you're willing to kill a perpetrator, you probably won't have to." Massad Ayoob | |||
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Uh, Oregon? | |||
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Too late. They are already here. There are a couple of communities on the southern side of Portland that now look very much like east L.A. Also, any town up and down I-5 has more than its share of them. They are also becoming numerous up in Washington, in the Seattle and adjacent areas. It is not a California problem, it is a U.S. nation-wide problem. Has pretty much destroyed my home area of southern Arizona. As to California, it is a beautiful state. And it is well worth taking back from Mexico a second time. Of course, that means Americans would have to put their efforts where their mouths are, and it is a lot easier to just bad mouth California than to do anything positive about it. Name calling and Xenophobia do nothing except hide the real issues and make the practioner feel of value to him/herself. Probably at this point we need to do a "reverse Berlin wall". That is, erect a "kill zone" beginning about 10 feet on our side of the border and use it on all those trying to break in illegally , rather than out. How long do you think it would take those who wish to come here to learn to do it the legal way, complete with careful screening, etc? We are NOT responsible for the world's poor, rhough by trying to be we are becoming one of the poor nations. | |||
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Not anymore, he won't. Had somee of my LE buddies pissed, but they understand too. We don't even have a place to shoot them around here any more.[/QUOTE] Not only will Barrett not sell to California LE, he won't even service previously sold rifles for them. If they want work done, then they need to find a local gunsmith and/or machinist to fabricate parts. NRA Life Member testa virtus magna minimum | |||
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Jens Poulson - the anti's would love your statement, above. The next thing you know, the govt here will be banning everything but single shots and double rifles....  Not that the 2nd AMendment has anything to do with hunting, but that seems to be the misguided direction here. Hopefully, the upcoming Supreme Court decision, while limited in scope, will still result in a more reasoned approach. | |||
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It's going to be interesting to the the SCOTUS opinion on Heller v. Wash. DC. (SCOTUS 07-290) I'm waiting to see what the opinion does to Wash. DC, Chicago, Mass., California, etc. It's NEVER been "about hunting." | |||
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Another opinion on Cali, while the police and lefties continue to carry on their pursuits, we still have or had people out there dealing in weapons they had no business dealing in. To wit, I had a neighbor in my apartment building who routinely dealt in full auto below the radar MGs. Everything I know about that he had was high end collector grade, no drive by shooting equipment there, but it was still against the law. When he asked me to identify an odd thing he had picked up in LA, I dropped by, expecting a Winchester of a Mannlicher-Schoenauer. Instead he had an originally cased Japanese copy of the Lewis Machine gun in .303 British. A rare bird by any accounting, and I got the hell out and did not come back. California has problems on both sides. | |||
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It is not compulsory to indicate the cause??  | |||
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During an IPSC Grand Prix de France, one of the Range Officers was a Brit. We had quite a talk after the shooting and he explained to me he moved to France like many other british shooters. Some made it their main residence, some bought a country side house in order to be residents and applied for the french firearms permit. Some villages have so many Brits buying houses that even the grocery and a few other shops are owned by Brits who followed them. Oh! A propos, va te faire mettre, connard! Help From France Key In Covert Operations The French Were Right ONLY THE IGNORANT DARE CALL FRENCH COWARDS  | |||
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So what are the English going to do when the Muslims order all of them out of their new Islamic country? | |||
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