Barrett Firearms seems to be bowing to the United SOCIALIST States of America!!!

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Barrett expects to chamber its other .50 caliber models for the .416 by the end of 2006.

It "almost" sounds as though they are discontinuing the .50 BMG (probably to the General Public), but who knows?!?!?!? THANKS BENEDICT ARNOLD!!!

It does not sound like anything more then Barrett coming out with their own proprietry round.Kriegoff has their own .500/.416 cartridge why noy Barrett?To me its a smart move.Good way to make more guns for those poor unfortunates that live in Crapafornia.

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Originally posted by baboon:
It does not sound like anything more then Barrett coming out with their own proprietry round.Kriegoff has their own .500/.416 cartridge why noy Barrett?To me its a smart move.Good way to make more guns for those poor unfortunates that live in Crapafornia.

Hopefully you are correct and the .50s will still be available outside Kalifornia! BTW, I think that Barrett is trying to out perform the .408 CheyTac.....which is great for me, because some bullet makers will have to start making Long Range .416 caliber bullets, which I can use in my Rigby.

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Originally posted by baboon:
It does not sound like anything more then Barrett coming out with their own proprietry round.Kriegoff has their own .500/.416 cartridge why noy Barrett?To me its a smart move.Good way to make more guns for those poor unfortunates that live in Crapafornia.

I agree, especially if the .416 is as good as they say it is this is a very good business move. Atleast it looks like it will be better supported than the .50 DTC EUROP.

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Originally posted by woodsracer:

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Originally posted by baboon:
It does not sound like anything more then Barrett coming out with their own proprietry round.Kriegoff has their own .500/.416 cartridge why noy Barrett?To me its a smart move.Good way to make more guns for those poor unfortunates that live in Crapafornia.

Hopefully you are correct and the .50s will still be available outside Kalifornia! BTW, I think that Barrett is trying to out perform the .408 CheyTac.....which is great for me, because some bullet makers will have to start making Long Range .416 caliber bullets, which I can use in my Rigby.

#1 .408 Cheytac goes trans-sonic between 2300-2400 yards whereas the .416 Barrett stay's super sonic beyond 2500 yards.

#2 .416 Barrett has an abundance of parent cases (.50 BMG) that can easily be reformed to .416 Barrett. .408 Cheytac uses a strengthened .505 Gibbs case that IIRC only one company makes.

#3 Cost, the .416 Barrett beats out the .408 Cheytac in this category as well.

I think it's fine to go smaller on bmg brass
to take care of Cal customers........but
it shouldn't be 416. 458 would be much better
and the case capacity would get the same
length 458 bullet as a 416 out faster with
less barrel erosion, efficiency etc.A 458 bullet same length as 50cal spire point
military bullet would really get long range
efficiency. To overbore also hurts accurracy..Ed.

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Originally posted by hubel458:
I think it's fine to go smaller on bmg brass
to take care of Cal customers........but
it shouldn't be 416. 458 would be much better
and the case capacity would get the same
length 458 bullet as a 416 out faster with
less barrel erosion, efficiency etc.A 458 bullet same length as 50cal spire point
military bullet would really get long range
efficiency. To overbore also hurts accurracy..Ed.

Agreed!!! That's what I originally thought too......a .458 Barrett. BUT, I'm more than happy to have some high BC .416 bullets available for my rigby!!!

i've GOT to have one, just because i can! .50bmg is illegal in Spain. Wait 'til this arrives at the Civil Guard with my name on it!

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It "almost" sounds as though they are discontinuing the .50 BMG (probably to the General Public), but who knows?!?!?!? CRYBABY THANKS BENEDICT ARNOLD!!! Mad

Don't worry! They aren't discontinuing the 50 to anyone unless they live in California.

The 416 is essentially Barretts answer to the 50 caliber ban in California.

I am sure that some of you already know but Barrett has also refused to manufacture, sell, and repair any of their rifles to any law enforcement agency in California.

An excerpt from Barretts web site in a letter Mr. Barrett wrote.

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Barrett cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore, since California’s passing of AB 50, the state is not in compliance with the US Constitution’s 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service any of our products to any Government agency of the State of California.

The entire letter.
http://www.barrettrifles.com/news/ca_outcome.htm

That is AWESOME!!!

Both the rifle and the fact that Barret is stickin it to the Govt of the PRC.

Just made my day.

Do not worry about Ronnie Barrett caving in.
This new caliber is good for those who live in the Republic of Kalifornia and want to shoot long range.

Truth be known it is probably a better LR target cartridge

I work a few miles from Barrett, and know a few people who work there. It is my understanding that the .416 was made solely for sale in california, but it actually performed much better than expected. I will try to find out the future of their .50bmg models.

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Originally posted by Nishoba01:
.408 Cheytac uses a strengthened .505 Gibbs case that IIRC only one company makes.
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Dont want to start an argument, but the info on .408 chey tac cases is not 100%

Horneber and Bertram both make excellent cases
and a lot of "custom" companies also make brass.

but you're looking at $3-$8 per case.

thanks.

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Originally posted by greggus:

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Originally posted by Nishoba01:
.408 Cheytac uses a strengthened .505 Gibbs case that IIRC only one company makes.
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Dont want to start an argument, but the info on .408 chey tac cases is not 100%

Horneber and Bertram both make excellent cases
and a lot of "custom" companies also make brass.

but you're looking at $3-$8 per case.

thanks.

Nice, I didn't know this. Do you know if anyone else is making .408 bullets besides LRB? I've heard bad things about LRB...

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Nice, I didn't know this. Do you know if anyone else is making .408 bullets besides LRB? I've heard bad things about LRB...

OK, the lowdown i have so far,
It is correct to my knowledge, through various emails and phone conversations, however i may be wrong on some aspects. This is my disclaimer in the event that shit happens, i do not post this with the intention to slander or to cast dispersion, but to pass on the information i have received through various companies.

I emailed lrbt about 3 months ago for load data, and was informed "chey tac" has moved to another building, and seems to have taken this info with them.

According to this thread: (http://www.benchrest.com/forums/printthread.php?t=20867&pp=40), Lynn states warren jensen from LRBT has been fired....

TTI armory "produce" 408 "factory" ammo, but have an exclusive licence from Barnes to produce the projectiles, barnes cant sell the projectiels without tti's permission, and Bertram produces the cases, with the same stipulations. however TTI apparently havnt been exactly punctual with their bills, and dont like responding to emails (outside USA).

If you're desperate for 408 pills, the 450-400 nitro projectiels in 400gr can be loaded with 126gr reloader 25, and suitable projectiels are the barnes XLC, but due to low sales are discontinuing the line, Midway are almost giving them away for $5 USD per box 20. the woodleigh 400gr round nose soft point also in 400gr micro to .408'

other sellers i know of for projectiles are gs custom, gerard, a member of this forum has his own company (gscustom.co.za ) and have said they have developed a .408 high BC pill, but havent responded, one of their previous customers have mentioned a bit of variety in weight an size, and excess time for production, but he's expanded since then, and may have improved. Another fine option is Llutz Moeller, (l.moeller@snafu.de) or (kjg@snafu.de)He has a long and short high BC pill, and will recomend what to use relative to your rifling twist rate.

as for cases, Bertrams here in Australia narrowly missed the US contract, and now also supply to TTI, even though they're in the bad books, Horneber's reply is below:

DHorneber@aol.com
Sent : Thursday, 9 June 2005
For 100 cases .408 Chey Tac we take 345 Euro plus postage prepaid.
regards,
Dieter Horneber

I hope this has helped, it's a tricky cartridge as everyone is scared to get behind it, but i reckon once it gets some range play, it'll take off!

Peace.

Ron Barret and Bill Ruger were born on the 4th of July, so to speak.

I believe the 416 is being developed for sniping, with a flatter trajectory ( more forgiving with wind and range estimation ) and better accuracy (less impulse to disturb the rifle before the bullet leaves the barrel). I suspect Ron has selected the 50 BMG case due to his rifle being designed to handle such and special tooling would not have to be developed for a new case like the CheyTAC. Most 505 Gibbs case MFG's told me their case would handle 70,000 psi so I wonder if Cheytac brass is really special.

FCSA published a bunch of articles on the wildcatted 50BMG the 375 got the nod for speed and accuracy beyond the 416. I would love to have a 50bmg wildcat in either 375 or 416 in addition to a 50BMG. maybe I'll figure out how to do a switch barrel on my Mcbros.

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Originally posted by greggus:

If you're desperate for 408 pills, the 450-400 nitro projectiels in 400gr can be loaded with 126gr reloader 25, and suitable projectiels are the barnes XLC, but due to low sales are discontinuing the line, Midway are almost giving them away for $5 USD per box 20. the woodleigh 400gr round nose soft point also in 400gr micro to .408'

Peace.

THANKS for the heads up!!! I just wiped them out when I purchased 35 boxes (700 pills).

BTW, for all CheyTac shooters, from what I have heard the Jamison brass is the best .408 CheyTac brass going. You can order it from Custom Bullets and Brass. They had the entire Jamison lineup until they scrapped the old website to improve it. You can still email them though. I have some Bridger solid "sample packs" ordered through them.