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<Fireball>
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I thought the Encore had no trigger block???
OK let me know.
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Nope IT Don"t I got it from a good authority on the subject. The initials MB ring a bell [Big Grin]
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Well I thought not. I have had my Encores apart more than once....But Some Pollitically Correct Follower at the pond telling everyone that the Encore has a Hammer block.....Some fish still can't swim!!

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Maybe I'm wrong but the Encore does have a block of sorts. The hammer rests on top of the trigger and cannot be pushed forward by any normal force and the trigger cannot be moved by any normal force. This is not the same as a block between the hammer and frame but it still is a system that is based on the Blackpowder pistol they put out several years ago that had interchangable barrels from 50 to 54 cal and think maybe 45 cal. Anyhow it is a blocking system to keep the gun from being fired when being dropped or the hammer hit. Also the trigger cannot be moved when the hammer is at rest.
 
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Meplat, you can now go to the website and download the trigger job files and see exactly what is inside the Encore.

The hammer does not come close to touching the trigger at any point.

The top of the sear is what pushes the hammer back and holds it back in a manner more analogous to a half cock on older types of designs prior to the lawyers making the manufacturers protect us from ourselves.

I do not claim to be a "gunsmith" in the sense of working on all sorts of mechanisms, but my understanding of a hammer block is a separate moving piece whose function is just that of preventing the hammer from hitting the firing pin.

The block that moves up and down in front of the Contender's hammer is a true "block" as I understand it. There is no such block in the Encore.

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Mike Bellm: If you will read my post I said the Encore did not have a block in the sense that the block was a device that came between the frame and the hammer but that it had a block of sorts in that the hammer is blocked from coming forward by the trigger or something. I am not a gunsmith either but the hammer and the trigger both will not move when they are at rest. Call it what you will but but it is still "blocked" from moving. Lets call it an "interferance device" ok instead of a block. Anyway it does have a device that keeps the hammer and trigger from moving acting as a safety device. That is the main thing.
 
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Mike Bellm: If you will read my post I said the Encore did not have a block in the sense that the block was a device that came between the frame and the hammer but that it had a block of sorts in that the hammer is blocked from coming forward by the trigger or something. I am not a gunsmith either but the hammer and the trigger both will not move when they are at rest. Call it what you will but but it is still "blocked" from moving. Lets call it an "interferance device" ok instead of a block. Anyway it does have a device that keeps the hammer and trigger from moving acting as a safety device. That is the main thing.

MePlat..... while your ideas hold water...a true hammer block wil not allow the gun to fire under ANY circumstance....the drop test here requires the gun to be cocked...loaded..then droped on the hammer to simulate an accedent...if you DROP your Encore on the hammer..with a round in the chamber..with the hammer cocked..it WILL go bang.

So it will not meet the saftey test here.
Stupid as the law may seem to some it is the Law here....Most Firearms today have a TRUE hammer block allowing such saftey.

And if you lighten the trigger on a Encore.....just a little too much the hammer will will drop with not much effort. as you smooth the sear and hammer contact points the hammer falls even easier.
If it had such Hammer block we could go as light as wanted and the hammer would never fall.

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"If it had such Hammer block we could go as light as wanted and the hammer would never fall."

It would still fall, but not hit the firing pin and fire.

Mike
 
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Meplat, the Encore's mechanism, weird as it is, is a good one, and, yes, with the hammer down, it is blocked from contacting the firing pin, but Fireball is most correct in his assessment. Yes, if it is cocked and jarred, dropped on the hammer, etc., it will fire. Definitely. It does not have a hammer block.

Whereas, with a true block as in the Contender, the block remains up, blocking the hammer from hitting the firing pin, until the trigger is pulled. The sequence then is the trigger pulled, striker released, striker rotating the sear, and simultaneously releasing both the hammer and the block so the two drop at the same time...... unless the interlock stops it due to incomplete lockup.

Not picking nits with you. You are quite correct in that it does in fact have the built in safety function you speak of.

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