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Man! That's not good Lonnie. I'm sure there's something wrong with Dave but just can't figure it out. He's having problems i'm sure. I don't know what else to say. As far as VVCG doing your work? A Bullberry barrel going to VV????? ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif){kind=icon} ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} I'm sure they could get what you want done in a couple or 3 weeks. But V.V.Jeff will have to close his eyes as not to see the name on the barrel just kidding Jeff. I think the name will be gone from the barrel when they refinish it anyway.SSK has a fast turn around, but they won't work on a custom barrel from someone else. I would send it to VVCG. That's where all my barrels will be comming from, from now on ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} BTW, I'll be sending them a couple frames to be matted very soon. Love there matte blue finish [ 01-18-2003, 05:13: Message edited by: Jules ] | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jules: As far as VVCG doing your work? A Bullberry barrel going to VV????? I'm sure they could get what you want done in a couple or 3 weeks. But V.V.Jeff will have to close his eyes as not to see the name on the barrel just kidding Jeff. I think the name will be gone from the barrel when they refinish it anyway.Well Jules I feel maybe a change is in the air. I emailed VV and asked for a price. I am not price shopping mind you just wondering. I really want to talk with them about my rechambers and new barrels. And thier 6 screw moount looks nice. I wonder if they can do a redfield? Think I will start with the 44 mag rechamber to 445. Fireball | ||
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Jules, P.M. to ya' | |||
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I have a couple and there scope base is very nice. Now as far as the Redfield mag mount, i'm sure if you supply the mount they could drill it out and add screws in the base. | |||
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quote:Back at ya. | |||
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Funny how we complain about the THROAT in a TC. BUT if you buy a TC you get a QUALITY barrel. The screw holes fit. The dove tail spacing is right. The finish is Great and the warranty is Unsurpassed. And for the LONG throats?? Most TC barrels will shoot with the proper reloads. makes one wonder if the grief for a EXPENSIVE CUSTOM barrel is worth the Crap involved including the LONG waits for Things you did not order and the ATTITUDE cast upon you when you ask why is it taking so long. Hell it is about as long for a rechamber as the wait for the G-2 I keep hearing about all the TC list barrels people are getting.......but the REWORK barrel sits.....WHY?? they have already spent the money. Fireball [ 01-18-2003, 06:22: Message edited by: Fireball ] | ||
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Fireball I have wondered the same about factory barrels. All the factory barrels and TC custom shop barrels have been great shooters and accurate. Never had a problem with them. I have gotten into custom barrels and have been less than pleased. No flames at anyone. Right now I have three custom barrels from three different makers and am really pleased with only one of them. I just ordered last week another custom barrel and can't wait to try it. I might just go back to the !sorry! long throated factory or TC custom shop barrels. As I said no flame at any one just my experience with TC barrels. | |||
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I never had a problem with any factory barrels myself. But they don't chamber some of the calibers I want. How long is the wait for a barrel or rechamber from Fox Ridge? | |||
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Jules Foxridge Outfitters told me 6 to 8 weeks & they were on time. However the 7 TCU barrel that they made for me was one problem after another. Too long a story to post here. My end result was to send it back for a refund & reorder it some where else. I don't think that there is any easy answer to getting barrels Made correctly & in a timely fashion. I had hoped that someone would start a good production line at a reasonable price. So far no one really has stepped up to the plate. I'm begining to wonder if I'm being too picky or this type of product just tends to be difficult to produce so that all are happy both the customers & the smiths. Rich Jake | |||
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Rich. You are not too picky and niether am I. I ask for carbine spacing and all sight holes drilled and a six screw base. This is NOT Hard to do in a machine shop. ^This is all ATTITUDE Problems with the custom Vendors. VERY POOR quality control. I ASKED for the six screw base MOUNTED and MATT finished to match the barrel. It was NOT matt finished as it was a Aluminum base not a steel base which would be required to make a MAtt Blue finish on. IF they would have ATTEMPTED to install the base as the order states then the off center drilling would have been found by them NOT I the second time around. I understand a BAD day or personal problems...But for most of us we still must do or job and do it well or we get FIRED. If a vendor has had a barrel for work 6 months and the customer calls and says HEY what about my Barrel..the ONLY answer is I AM SORRY and I WILL DO MY BEST to get it too you.....NOT OH it is just sitting thier in the corner(yes I Have heard that one) They all do the customer service thing at first to get the bussiness...THEN after the new suburban and Big house on the hill it is BY BY customer service plain and simple. Or they are just getting too tired of the rat race involved. Either way at that point you get out,before your attitude destroys your reputation. I am going to go with VV. I see GOOD reports on customer service AFTER the sale.....I feel that is the most important. I had a talk with a fellow who had a barrel builtby a WELL KNOWN shop and it did not shoot for him. He has many barrels and guns which he shoots well. He is a Avid reloader. When his new barrel did not shoot after 15 different loadings he began to wonder and called the custom shop who did the work. He was told to ship the barrel to another (a third party)for load testing and evaluation......That my friends is BULL. I am hoping for better out of VV Than I have recieved elsewhere. I guess asking for a $325.00 barrel in less than 6 months done properly the first time..and if it is (*&*$% up when it arives then a ASAP turnaround is ASKING TOO MUCH for a custom shop. Keeps making TC look better all the time. Fireball | ||
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BOBBY At this point I am really feelig your plight. This was a gift for my son....NOT MY Barrel. Fireball | ||
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quote:Rick, I feel your agony regarding the T/C Custom Shop barrels! I had a 15" T/C Custom Shop SS barrel in 9mm that only shot one load well - a European Hirtenberger factory load that is next to impossible to find in the states. All other loads "patterned" instead of grouping. Upon inspection with a 3x magnifying glass and bore light, the throat in this barrel was so off center to one side of the bore that a semi-circle of throat was visible on one side right before the lands and grooves began, while there was nothing on the other side perceptible to the eye before the lands and grooves began. To my thinking, while T/C does get it right a lot of the time on the small parts, sight base holes, and other external aspects, their poor chambers and crowns and silly equal land and groove rifling practices negate their aesthetics. quote:Rich, I don't think you are too picky! After all, you are simply asking to get what you paid for! To his credit, Van Horn did my 24" 223 barrel right. I acquired that barrel right before the TC-List group purchase. Had the barrel shown up in the condition of the 45/70 barrel being discussed, I'd not be happy either. I have two more barrels on order with Van Horn, and we will see how they turn out, though even if my next two Van Horn barrels turn out great, that does YOU no good. I offer no excuses for his failure to replace the barrel to your original order, when you returned your barrel for warranty work the first time, and I hope that Dave makes it right for you. I spoke with him on the phone yesterday, and he seems the sort that wants to make it right for his customers. As to finding a more reliable source of barrels to meet our habits and consumption, I am not sure what the answer will be. I believe that in part, the reason we see so many more problems with this type of product is that we really can SEE the problems. The barrel is not screwed into a receiver, and the aspects of it's creation that matter to performance are more easily discerned by visual inspection that other types of work. Compare our discussions to those whose pursuit is the big bore six-gun. Now from what I have seen on various forums, those guys seem to come up with a very comparable amount of complains to work done ratio. Ruger, for example, takes a lot of flack for their throating practices, finish and cylinder gap, trigger pull, etc. Reeder and others who do big bore revolver work [heck, even Cylinder and Slide, Wilson Combat, and the various 1911 customizers] seem to have just as much of a hit and miss ratio with their work in this regard as the Contender -Encore aftermarket smiths. Perhaps the fast and easy communication of the Internet has simply exposed such mistakes and errors to a wider audience, and there aren't any more or less problems in the T/C Custom world [or any other custom smithing world] than there ever were? It is a fascinating question And let's face it, as to production time, sometimes our demands do push the work we want done into such a "long wait" category - the guy that wants the SS fluted half round half octagon barrel with a JP muzzle brake and naked females engraved upon it, is still going to have to wait for it NOW This in no way excuses a shop from telling a fellow that his barrel thus ordered will go out the very "next week" and "next week" then proceeds to turn into the next five months - I do not like such either!!!! This is what really pisses customers off the most as well: When given truly BS deadlines for finished product, they feel lied to and taken advantage of!If the job is such that it will take forever, then the customer should be told up front to expect a rather long wait. I have two jobs on order with Bellm that he told me up front would take a LONG LOONNGG time to do, as they are really unusual custom projects, and he was doing the 30 Bellm�s for the Illinois handgun hunters as a priority etc, and so I do not mind the wait. The wait is well worth the anticipated results to me in this case. Had I been told "yeah, it will be there next Tuesday" I'd be a bit upset and it would be a different story. I know Mike Bellm has had his finger on the pulse of the T/C community for awhile as regards quality of work vs. price and time to produce, and no, he is not perfect either, and does make mistakes as well. I mention this in passing simply because he has, throughout the year both on the forum and off, mentioned getting into producing semi-custom barrels which one could purchase directly off the shelf. Picture Mike's throats and crowns in some harder to get chamberings, made on standard barrel blanks offered as semi-production off the shelf product, between the $200.00-$300.00 range, ready to ship to your door. I have often wanted to have a supply of Mike's 22mag 14" rechambered barrels that I could sell: I believe in that concept and combination of distinctive features [22lr bore, 22wmr chamber, etc] so much, and the 22mag Bellm barrels are so effective, that I think such offered as a semi custom production barrel off the shelf would sell themselves As a dealer, this idea appeals to me A LOT, and I hope he overcomes such obstacles as there are blocking his way, and pulls it off! Time will tell�.If he and others were to take this approach, that might help to at least solve the multiple months� long wait that the fully custom barrel seems to take, though again, for the truly unusual or unique set combination of features, full custom is still the only answer. Well, perhaps this was a lot more off on a tangent than you wanted to hear, but this subject really interests me [ 01-18-2003, 15:38: Message edited by: Sean VHA #60013 ] | |||
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Hehehe... you guys need to learn how to wait. ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif){kind=icon} I have an on going Ruger single six project. I'm almost a year and a half into waiting on it, though I did have the gun for about a month, in the middle. So if I figger' it out, the gunsmith has had the gun 18 times longer than I ever owned it. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee...... I couldn't figure out the problem with it, and it seems, neither can he. lol Y'all need to oredr one a them custom double rifles... the ones where you wait 10-20 years for it to come. | |||
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Just for future reference, we will work on anyone's barrel and we are generally 2-3 weeks on a rechamber in a T/C. | |||
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Jeff, Do you re-chamber to the equivalent of Bellm's 358? IE; 444brass sized in one pass in a 358 Win die? If so I have brass,rcbs dies and a 357 Herrett barrel waiting.....45nut | |||
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