Who and What chamber is everybody interested in.
Like to get aleast (5) of one chamber the same and length if possible.I will be stocking the Bower Chambers from 6mm to 30 cal. Also be a new 30 cal out on the version of the 300Savage Imp using 307Brass. Mike Bellm and I have chatted some on this. Put your thinking cap on guys. Price will be right if everything is worked out.
How they will be marked is in Question yet.
Remember these will be Custom Barrels,with a Matte finish.

Paul,
I assume it's for a contender and you didn't say if length would be a factor.
I don't have the barrel yet, but the 250imp. based on 307 brass like the one you have should be great. Mike is forming a couple hundred rounds of brass for me for now and I wish I could get more of the brass for the price I did[$45.per300]
Seems like a lot of steps to get the brass made though. I don't suppose ya can get a size die made to run the 307 brass through so all you have to do is trim the case after 1 pass?

I also like the idea of a 300imp. I guess it would be the same as the 250imp. except in 30 caliber. Correct?
But will it better the 308Bellm??

I would be most interested in a 30 Alaskan. I am looking at a 30 Herrett barrel to buy for rechambering. If you will be stocking the 30 Alaskan in a custom barrel, I will abandon the rechamber path in favor of the new barrel. What will the stocked barrels go for and what length wil they be? Will muzzle breaks be offered as well? Will dies also be available?
Secondly, I don't beleive Bower ever developed a .257 caliber but, I also would be interested in a .257 x 307 (40 degree) improved. I am partial to the 25's and this would be an interesting cartridge to work with.

Jules, not trying to better the 308Bellm. I always wanted to try a 300sav in a T/C and have just thought about it this way and having the case improved. Mike will surely have his input in this. Dave van Horn makes a 300Sav and I'm sure it works,but i like all improved cases. In this chamber we can shoot the factory rounds , just as the 250 but yes its a 30cal and I seem to enjoy shooting the Savage Calibers. The next one will be a 270Savage, just call me different.

As far as the die goes you ask about, I'm sure one can be made if you willing to pay 100.00 or more.
I just like doing the brass work, its making the case that is a joy to me.
I have quotes for 14,15,and 16 inch bbls.
The post I made this morning is not for the T/C Custom Shop BBs.
For DEC
I think Don Bower had a 25, but because of the grain of bullets available in his younger days he dropped it. I chatted with him on the 250Imp which Bellm did for me and he said enjoy it, it will be a shooter. This is One of most accurate I have every shot and can use all day long. You can choose light or heavy recoil using the 307Win.
This is going to be a hobby for me, not in for the real money making thing. Sure I'd like turn $$ but it needs to fun too.
When this happens, Barrel , Die and Brass are Included in purchase.
hope this helps!

I will be in line to purchase either the 250 savage improved or the 257 x 307 imp. Please post when you are ready to go. You are correct, either of these cartridges should be loads of fun to shoot. By the way, I am interested in the 30 Alaskan NOW!!! What do you have in stock and how much?

I would be interested in a 6mm. Rather it be a 6tcu on the 223 case than something on 225 or larger.

To make things easier for everyone interested in .30 cal., I mentioned to Paul that we need to see what is available in .308 Win Imp. dies. Bought in quantity to get the price down, they can be shortened for .300 Savage Imp. or used for .30 Alaskan.

Dies are always a handicap, as Jules found out the hard way at the hand of Brer Jones.

I have a series of cartridges on .225 Win brass also that are similar to the JDJ types... they are shorter in the body, longer in the neck than JD's. So they are not a copy of his. I elected to reduce the powder capacity of the .225 Win. case and create a chamber that would not accept a factory .225 Win. round.

For the 6mm fans, that would be a good one. Would be excellent in .25 cal. also, but the .250 Imp. has the advantage of dies being readily available at a decent price.... another arguement for chambers and dies being public domain.

For dies, Redding is still top drawer and the best way to go, especially since RCBS sorta turned their custom die shop upside down I guess. Haven't heard the latest on them. NTL, my leaning is toward Redding from the accuracy standpoint.

I have had several runs of dies made by CH-4D and they are good, but I have seen things that lead me to believe that Redding is still top of the heap.

I am glad to see Paul taking the bull by the horns and starting something like this. There is room for more options than we have now, and pooling orders does save money.

As soon as you say "I want" and you are the only one saying it, the price goes up, probably at least $100 on average. There are other factors that go into the price of course, but the individual handling of your "I want" costs you a ton of money better spent on primers, powder, and bullets.

If you just want braggin' rights, I am glad you can afford it. But we can do a lot better for the money when we get our collective heads together.

Mike

OK.... I'm confused.... Are we talking about Mike chambering these barrels?

What blanks?

All one caliber AND chambering or just one caliber and Mike chambers to each persons satisfaction?

Obviously I missed another thread that must have carried over to this one... Sorry I'm so dense... <g>

Oh yeah... And by the way....

I'm interested in a 21" 6mm TCU Contender barrel with a fast twist if possible but that part's negotiable....

LD,
I think what Quarter Miler is saying, is that we would have to get at least 5 of the same caliber and let Mike Bellm do them as a batch. I'm sure we would have to get 5 of the same die sets also.
This is the only way we can get them at a better price. Is that correct Paul?
I don't know who will supply the blanks.

Paul, You said you got a quote on 14,15 and 16" barrels. I would be willing to go to 16" if need be, but would rather it be 18 or 20".
16" is OK though.
No doubt this is the best way to get this kinda work done, but I think it's gonna be tough to find 5 of us that's going to want the same caliber and length. I think $$$ is going to be a big factor with some. When are you looking to do this project, and what is a ballpark figure for barrel and dies?

I'm really interested in this myself - mostly if Mike is chambering though. Kind of like the idea of a 20" bull, but can change my mind when my lovely wife tells me to. Kind of thinking of a quater bore, but also like the thought of a .17 or a different .22. Please keep me in the loop...

steve

.250 Sav. Imp. 14" stainless - you guys can use a chop saw if you want a longer barrel, heh, heh.

Looks like several posts were correct in stating that no group of shootists would ever agree on a single caliber to group as an aggregated procurement. Great idea and I'm still interested. 250 Ack Imp would satisfy my needs in a 14 or 15 inch barrel. I still think that the 307/356 case is a better platfrom for a wildcat contender cartridge but that is only my opinion. In addition, I think CH4D sells dies in 25-08 Ack 40 degree for about $60 a set. If I am correct, these dies should be useable for a 307 based 257 improved cartridge with minimal or no modifications (Correct me if I am wrong). Purchasing dies in sets of 10 should also reduce the die cost as well as the barrel cost. Let us know if you decide to dictate the caliber and barrel length. This approach may narrow the discussion to parties interested in one particular caliber. Something in 6mm,257, or 308 cal would still interest me.

When are you going to stock Bower barrels? How much?

250 imp....I know that Quarter Miler has one and Mike is doing a 20 incher for me now and I can't wait to try it out. And after what Paul has told me, it's a great round. I say, go for it guys.

[ 08-30-2002, 03:27: Message edited by: Jules ]

I think this would be a great cartridge and loads of fun to shoot. I'm in!!! Anyone else?

Mike and 1/4 Miler (is that Paul or Wes's addi?)

Like the idea of the .250 Savage Imp.. I'd love one!

steve

Sorry, you guys look to much alike.

steve

Hey guys, I like the idea of a quarter bore project. What about a 25 cal based on 222 Rem Mag Iproved? I'd think it would be pretty close to the velocity of the 250 Savage Imp. Wonder if the 222 Rem Mag brass would be EASIER or HARDER to find than would be the 307 Win? Gary T.