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How do I know what size (oversized) hingpin to get for my Contender? [Confused] I have a blued frame that is pretty tight, but my s/s frame is anything but. [Frown]
Thanks Tony
 
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Give Mike Bellm a Call!!
Or as they say at the pond....Give The Devil Himself a ring!!

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Fireball you forget we have the devil himself posting HERE [Eek!] . We can probably all get the answer in a bit I'm sure.
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Tony, Mike usually has only the one size. He did have one just a tad bigger then his standerd oversized but I don't think there are many needs for it and he may not have one in stock.
Did you try the pin from your blued frame?
Check to see if the hinge pin is loose at the barrel lug first and then at the frame.
Sean is also selling the Bellm oversized hinge pins and has them here>>
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=4664147
 
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Jules, you're alright. You DO pay attention. You are right on all counts, but regarding the extra large .376" diameter Contender oversize hinge pins, I do have a quantity of them on hand for extreme situations.

I only sell a very few of the .376" pins since they usually require the opposing component be reamed to a size larger than one would normally choose to use. They are best left to dedicated barrel and frame combinations, and then only in extreme situations. But regardless, when the need arises, I do have them.

The oversize Contender pins I (and Sean of course) sell work admireably in probably at least 80% of the barrels and frames.

With the Encores it is a different matter and I have added two more size increments above the 1x oversize pins. Click on the link in the heading on my Oversize Hinge Pins page for details.

Mike web page
 
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Speaking of the devil..... Big Frog in the pond said I was evil, and he don't lie. Just ask him.

Yeah, though I walk in the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil........ cuz I'm the evilest SOB in the valley.

If Rev. Ernie is on board, what is that in the Greek, "shakan," one of the names for the devil?

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Originally posted by Mike Bellm:
If Rev. Ernie is on board, what is that in the Greek, "shakan," one of the names for the devil?

Well, I am not Rev Ernie, but I am a ministry student, so I'll take a stab!

The Greek word for evil embraces both physical and moral evil behavior.Two Greek words readily come to mind, which are: poneros {pon-ay-ros'}for EVIL, which has the idea of "evil which
results in sorrow." It refers to evil in general, not just Satan - See Matthew 6:22-24 �The bad eye� vs. 23 The bad eye here is literally the evil eye or the sinful
eye.

Also kakos {kak-os'} for EVIL THINGS is also a word used for "sick," such as in Matthew 4:24, and also in James Ch 3 means good-for-nothing.

The Greek word for Satan is Satanas: {sat-an-as-}and is of Aramaic origin. Also Teiten, and among other things it means �The Accuser.�

The Greek word for "devil" is diabalos (Matt 4:1). There are many demons, but only
one devil (diablos is always singular in Scripture) and also means "Slanderer."

Interesting parallels to another "Accuser" and "Slanderer" we know, eh? [Big Grin]

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Most excellent treatise with as you noted, many applications <evil grin>, but where does "shakan" fit in? I know it is used somewhere. Old Testament Hebrew?

Excuse the off-topic, guys.

Mike
 
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Mike,
I couldn't find "shakan" in the Greek, but in Hebrew the word is used to mean a variety of things:
(1) to let oneself down, to settle down. Example the pillar of fire and the cloud Num 9:17; 22; 10:12; Ex 24:16.
(2) To lie down, especailly to take rest, used of the lion Deut 33:20 of a nation lying in tents Num 24:2, etc.......
(3) To dwell, to abide,(also inhabit) Gen 9:27; 14:13; 26:2, etc.....
(4) to be inhabited as a place, Jer 50:39; 33:16; 46:26; Is 13:20
to cause to dwell Jer 7:7; Num 14:30.

My guess is without spending more time on this is that it is likely that that "shakan" is used somewhere in the OT of evil/satan dwelling in or inhabiting someone.
The definitiions were from Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament.
Hope you guys don't mind me trying to answer a question.
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Ernie, off topic and all, we can all use a "dose" now and then. Email me the source of the Lexicon if you would.... I need a copy. Don't have one.
Thanks, and keep up the good (agothos) work. [Smile]

Mike
 
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Ya a guy needs something to dwell on once in awhile, all guns and and no funds make a guy kinda boring.

[Razz]
 
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Originally posted by Mike Bellm:
[QB]Speaking of the devil..... Big Frog in the pond said I was evil, and he don't lie. Just ask him.

Yeah, though I walk in the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil........ cuz I'm the evilest SOB in the valley.

If Rev. Ernie is on board, what is that in the Greek, "shakan," one of the names for the dev/QB]

I made a post elsewhere about streched frames
and who might be able to shed some light on the subjet. I was just trying to help..But as I understand...You are just a SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERT???

lol

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I made a post elsewhere about streched frames
and who might be able to shed some light on the subjet. I was just trying to help..But as I understand...You are just a SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERT??? lol Fireball [Confused]

Fireball,

This reference of yours from the big mouth of the Big Catfish is especially a case of the pot calling the kettle black, as who else but "hisownself" has ever really proclaimed the Big Catfish an EXPERT in any given area?

If having your own website and talk forum ALONE meets the requirements, then it is easy for anyone with a PC and some time to burn to become an expert. [Roll Eyes]

If a group of non-expert groupies calling you an expert meets the requirements, then hospital patients have the authority to declare anyone present and popular enough an MD, and the monkeys in the lab have the authority to declare the janitor the scientist. [Eek!]

As it stands, peer review, such as appears in refereed publications, thorough testing of ideas and products, years of experience in turning out the product of one�s expertise, and a lot of documented EVIDENCE which stands up to analysis and examination by those with experience and knowledge to do so in a given field, this is what establishes one as an expert.

Mike Bellms work and concepts certainly have withstood such tests and criteria.
 
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Originally posted by Sean HHI #7364:
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Originally posted by Fireball221:
I made a post elsewhere about streched frames
and who might be able to shed some light on the subjet. I was just trying to help..But as I understand...You are just a SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERT??? lol Fireball [Confused]

Fireball,

This reference of yours from the big mouth of the Big Catfish is especially a case of the pot calling the kettle black, as who else
but "hisownself" has ever really proclaimed the Big Catfish an EXPERT in any given area?

If having your own website and talk forum ALONE meets the requirements, then it is easy for anyone with a PC and some time to burn to become an expert. [Roll Eyes]

If a group of non-expert groupies calling you an expert meets the requirements, then hospital patients have the authority to declare anyone present and popular enough an MD, and the monkeys in the lab have the authority to declare the janitor the scientist. [Eek!]

As it stands, peer review, such as appears in refereed publications, thorough testing of ideas and products, years of experience in turning out the product of one’s expertise, and a lot of documented EVIDENCE which stands up to analysis and examination by those with experience and knowledge to do so in a given field, this is what establishes one as an expert.

Mike Bellms work and concepts certainly have withstood such tests and criteria.

He is just Smelling the STINK BAIT!!

fireball [Roll Eyes]
 
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Sean..... all I can say is [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Fireball, my granddad's definition of a catfish as it applies to people is "all mouth, no brain."
I've been "takin' bait" solving shooters' problems tossed into uncharted waters for 23 years and use my big mouth (and keyboard) to help as many folks as I can past the travesties tossed in the way of shooters by tradition and especially the magazines, often written by nitwits who don't know "Come here!" from "Sic 'em!"

Keep the bait coming! And I'll keep on backing up what I put out. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] And smile all the way to the bank while getting paid for having fun. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Mike
 
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I got some nice vertical strings today! [Roll Eyes]

10" .45 Colt (no .410 on this one!)

It seemed that as the barrel heated up, I got some very distinct vertical strings. 3 shots nearly cloverleafed, then the stringing began.

It was hot as blazes today, I was in a shooting hut. Barrel was not cooling quickly at all.

Loads were interesting- 240grain XTP Mag, 250 XTP and 250 grain PTX polymer tip muzzleloading bullet with taper crimp!

As usual, I was surprised how much the point of impact changed between cast and jacketed.

By letting the barrel cool an agonizingly long time, I was able to get some fair group with 330 Cast flat noses, esp. when seated out long.

ANYONE THINK AND OVERSIZE PIN MIGHT HELP ME? The pin hole is looser than on any of my other barrels...
Thanks,

Pete

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Pete,

I do not know if the pin is your main problem (heat should make little difference if it is MAINLY a looseness problem) but it certainly is not helping matters at all to be loose in the hinge pin area, and in my experiences, an oversized pin can only help improve such a situation!

BTW, tell me more about your loads using the polymer tip muzzle loader projectiles!
 
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About those T/C .451 PTX bullets-

I'm in with a group of on-line fellas shooting the Savage Muzzleloader. We were discussing bullets, and my buddy Al cut several lengthwise to compare construction. Look and see:
http://www.geocities.com/stinkeypete2002/lookatbullets.html
The PTX is made by Hornady, sold by T/C. 240 grains, has a polymer tip, and a very beefy copper construction with "interlocks." I pay $9.90 per 50 at Midsouth shooters supply.

I was shooting them in Starline, Winchester SP primers, and 17 grains 2400 as a starting load. I used a Lee .45 Colt Taper Crimp die. For a first attempt, I seated the bullets about the same as the 240 XTP Mags. COL is someting that is obviously easy to play with. I didn't chronograph, but they are subsonic.

Decent group from a very hot barrel on a nasty hot day. Promising bullet! Would I load higher? Yup, but I'd move to slower powders- IMR4227, H110 or Lil Gun and see what happens.

Having a nice revolver, I wonder how well the taper crimp would hold. Before that, I even wonder if they are worth the bother. 330 grain flat points seated long over IMR 4227 grouped a bit better, and those logs pack a big sack of wup-@ss

I can't resist the weird stuff, and they sure look cute all loaded up. If you would like a few to play with, pipe up.

Pete

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