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Well I loaded up some 130 gr Hornadys and had some impressive results. One load had a sub 1" group. Did not have time to chrono them, but I loaded 5 of them up and will chrono them next time at the range.

The guy who I bought the barrel from is back from his hunting trip and has provided me with some 125 gr and 150 gr loads, so I should be covered.
50gr H4350 150gr Sierra
51gr H4350 125gr Nosler BT
(All shot 1-1/4" to 1-1/2")

I also took Kyode's advise on varying the OAL's on the best 165 gr load. These will also be tested on the next range trip.

I wonder if varying the OAL --has more to do with the "jump" to the lands or has more to do with the load's density increases??
 
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What kind of game do you have in mind to use this cartridge on? I would think that a strongly constucted 150 grain bullet would probably be optimum with that cartridge. Of course that is only a guess on my part. [Wink]

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Rich Jake, et. al.,

You are probably correct about the 150's. This is the way I evaluate my loads.

First and foremost, as a hunter, my first responsibity is to make a clean kill. Lots of factors add into this equation of course. Distance of the shot, angle, size of the particular game, weather condtions etc. The only item I can really control are my loads.

This is how I load, right or wrong:

Depending on the critter I intend to hunt, I research the terminal preformance of a bullet, particularly the impact veloctity required to "do it's job". Retained weight, how much the bullet mushrooms (or fragments in varmint loads), penetration data, etc.

For this example, let's say a deer load for a Contender.

With the selected bullet's impact velocity,I work my ballistics backwards to see if that required velocity is obtainable within the intended range I expect to shoot my handguns.

I then determine which powder will give me the best chance of obtaining the required velocity. I prefer a high load density with out exceeding the pressure limit on the Contender frame.

If velocity required is possble, I'll load a series of cartridges in varying powder amounts and check these over the chronograph, then measure the groups. (I know most everyone does their loading this way).

If the most accurate load meets the velocity criteria, this will be the load I'll use for hunting. I want at maximum, 1-1/4" group at 100yds. I may then change the OAL to tighten group.

I'll load 10 up and sight-in at x" high at y distance for a maximum point blank range distance of a 4" circle. This MPBR is determined by my ballistic program based on all data noted above.

Now in the deer woods, I know that within the MPBR distance I can shoot close to 1-1/4" group, and be 2" high max or 2" low max.

I have a few rules of thumb that I will adhere to also. For instance, I want at least 1200ft/lbs of energy for whitetails at my maximum distance.

Sorry this sounds like I'm lecturing, but this is a forum to discuss things such as this. How do you do your loads? Let's start a new thread. I'm sure we all have a trick or two to share.

Bill
 
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Originally posted by pahandgunhunter:
First and foremost, as a hunter, my first responsibity is to make a clean kill.

I think we all agree on this.

Lots of factors add into this equation of course. Distance of the shot, angle, size of the particular game, weather condtions etc. The only item I can really control are my loads.

I think that we need a certain level of skill with a particular weapon to be able to use effectively and to be willing to use it responsibly. Skill is something we control through practice. I don't think you intended to omit it.

This is how I load, right or wrong:

Depending on the critter I intend to hunt, I research the terminal preformance of a bullet, particularly the impact veloctity required to "do it's job". Retained weight, how much the bullet mushrooms (or fragments in varmint loads), penetration data, etc.


I'm with you so far... I do have a prejudice for bullets at the upper limit of or above the "standard" weight for a particular cartridge.

For this example, let's say a deer load for a Contender.

With the selected bullet's impact velocity,I work my ballistics backwards to see if that required velocity is obtainable within the intended range I expect to shoot my handguns.

I then determine which powder will give me the best chance of obtaining the required velocity. I prefer a high load density with out exceeding the pressure limit on the Contender frame.


I always attempt to have a loading density of 90-100%. The only other thing is that I give preference to powders that I have on hand. I always try them first before purchasing more powder.

If velocity required is possible, I'll load a series of cartridges in varying powder amounts and check these over the chronograph, then measure the groups. (I know most everyone does their loading this way).

I take it this is what some call a "ramp up" whereby they determine the maximum safe charge for their particular firearm. Then you are measuring groups to see which load had the best performance with regards to accuracy. Also, that you are shooting for groups over the chronograph.

If the most accurate load meets the velocity criteria, this will be the load I'll use for hunting. I want at maximum, 1-1/4" group at 100yds. I may then change the OAL to tighten group.

What is your general starting position for overall length? I.e., do you start with seating the bullet .050" off the lands?

I'll load 10 up and sight-in at x" high at y distance for a maximum point blank range distance of a 4" circle. This MPBR is determined by my ballistic program based on all data noted above.

Now in the deer woods, I know that within the MPBR distance I can shoot close to 1-1/4" group, and be 2" high max or 2" low max.


A 4" circle really shrinks the MPBR, not that I disagree. I like to see the whites of their eyes myself. [Wink]

I have a few rules of thumb that I will adhere to also. For instance, I want at least 1200ft/lbs of energy for whitetails at my maximum distance.

Why did you select 1200 fpe as opposed to the oft quoted 1000 fpe?

Sorry this sounds like I'm lecturing, but this is a forum to discuss things such as this. How do you do your loads? Let's start a new thread. I'm sure we all have a trick or two to share.

Bill

I don't think it matters what you're loading for or what you are loading. This system seems to work for me.
 
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Hey That's too complicated for me. WOW!! No I try to use the bullet that will give me the best velocity & group possible for the Caliber in the contender. I try to select a bullet that will give me the best possible performance on the game I wish to hunt. Then do a load work up over the chronograph. Best performance wins. Then I shoot it a couple of times to verify the accuracy.
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I think that we need a certain level of skill with a particular weapon to be able to use effectively and to be willing to use it responsibly. Skill is something we control through practice. I don't think you intended to omit it.

No I did not intend to omit this. I think practical practicing with the loads is best. Not from a benchrest as used in load development or sight-in, but "field shooting techniques". But this is a loading discussion. [Smile]

I'm with you so far... I do have a prejudice for bullets at the upper limit of or above the "standard" weight for a particular cartridge.

Yes, exactly! Usually the mid range weights work best. If one looks at the loading data, one will see that there is one load which gives the best preformance in the energy department. I call this load the top of the hill. The lighter weight climb the hill and the heavier ones go down the hill. But in our handgun velocity is our limiting factor. so the heavier bullets may not be able to "preform" as in a rifle.

I always attempt to have a loading density of 90-100%. The only other thing is that I give preference to powders that I have on hand. I always try them first before purchasing more powder.

I am fortunate to have a older, and generous neighbor who give me small quanities of any powder I want to try. [Smile] [Smile]

I take it this is what some call a "ramp up" whereby they determine the maximum safe charge for their particular firearm. Then you are measuring groups to see which load had the best performance with regards to accuracy. Also, that you are shooting for groups over the chronograph.

What is your general starting position for overall length? I.e., do you start with seating the bullet .050" off the lands?

I usually start .030" off the lands. I make leade gauges for all my firearms. It's fairly simple to do. It's easier in my XP-100's and kinda tricky in the Contender. I take a fired shell and only size the mouth minimally. I them take a flat based bullet and insert it tip down in the case. In the xp's I just close the bolt and in the Contender a push the case in with my thumb and close the action. On the Contender you may have to push a little more, then try to close the action, then push a little more, etc. till the action just closes. What you end up with is a guage from the end of the case to the lands. I measure this with my Stoney Point Comparitor, back that figure off .030" and start with that oal. [Wink] [Wink]

A 4" circle really shrinks the MPBR, not that I disagree. I like to see the whites of their eyes myself.

Well with the 4" circle MPBR the yardage is not really long as one might think. For example...my 165 Nosler BT load at 2200fps. My progam tells me 2.0" high at 100yds. give me a MBPR of 189 yds, with 1300+ fpe. In the PA woods, 100 yd is a loooong shot, and most of the ones I've killed have been well within 100yds. But i always wanted the option to shoot longer. Well now here in PA, we have antler restrictions, so we have to be able to count points before we shoot em!"

Why did you select 1200 fpe as opposed to the oft quoted 1000 fpe?

Yes, I have heard that 1000, fpe is mimimum, and I have heard 1100 fpe is optimal. Lots of writers have different opinions on this subject. I just like to have my own standards, a little harder to achieve, but gives me more satisfaction and more confidence in my loads.

I do like this forum, lots of knowledgeable people who are will to share their ideas.
Thanks

Bill
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Bill,

Read your post. Very interesting. I'm going to come back and re-read it! Thanks.
 
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