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I am considering rechamber of a Competitor 414 Super Mag barrel to the above.

Anyone have any experience with this cartridge?

EDIT: OPPPSSS!! Just checked and found that i can order this chambering from Competitor. Still looking for any experience with this round.

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What bullets were you planning to use? It's my understanding that the 405 has a .411 bore and the 414 has a 410 bore......I suppose you might turn the expander ball on a .405 sizer die down and get enough bullet grip and use .410 bullets?
 
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Already thought of that and have posed the question to Richard at Competitor. If it has a larger bore i will purchase a 41mag or 414sm and have OTT rechambered it to maintain the "standard" 41 bore.

Purty sure i am goin forward with this one.... [Big Grin]
 
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FYI: The bore for the 405 from Competitor is the same as the 41mag, 414, etc...
 
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Welp, looks like it is gonna happen! [Big Grin] Competitor has a few barrels in stock, [Cool] waiting to see just what is available before i order it from Paul Dustin.

Anyone here with any experience with this round??
 
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Pic of the 405 Win as compared to the 444 Marlin. [Big Grin]

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Redding dies are here, Hornady 300 grain bullets are here, Hornady brass is here and barrel should be here in a few days!! [Big Grin]

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I have also received Ken Waters "Pet Loads" that contains a bunch of data!! He lists quite a bit for 300 grain bullets as well as pistol bullets.
 
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Are you sure that case is big enough??? Did you have that barrel test fired yet? Draw any blood?!!! All I can tell you is good luck with that. Do you think you can get a few photo's when you touch that thing off? [Big Grin]
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Are you sure that case is big enough??? Did you have that barrel test fired yet? Draw any blood?!!! All I can tell you is good luck with that. Do you think you can get a few photo's when you touch that thing off? [Big Grin]
Rich Jake

That is one large case RJ! [Big Grin] Barrel i hope will arrive early next week. I will try and get some pics of it at the range. This will be my first caliber in the Competitor that has "real recoil". I hope i like it! [Big Grin]
 
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Mike - Something tells me that you will like it. Afterall it might be the first caliber to knock some sense into you! [Razz] That was a great pic of the two cases...I never realized that it was significantly longer than the "Trip-4". Loaded with some of those heavy 300gr bullet ought to make it a real "penetrator". I was just trying to think of any animals in the PA area in the size range of an elephant, buffalo, hippo! [Wink]

It's too bad that you can't try that in field pistol events...oh well, there's always big bore! [Big Grin]

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Mike,

I have notified the NH postal authority to check any and all packages coming into the state for anything even remotely looking like that. They have standing orders to throw said package into the river. Damn my thumb hurts all of a sudden.....

LOL,
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You might need to change the name from OTT to "Cannon Builders Inc."!!!!! [Big Grin]
 
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I have notified the NH postal authority to check any and all packages coming into the state for anything even remotely looking like that. They have standing orders to throw said package into the river. Damn my thumb hurts all of a sudden.....

LOL,
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ROTFLMAO!!
 
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Mike - Something tells me that you will like it. Afterall it might be the first caliber to knock some sense into you! [Razz] That was a great pic of the two cases...I never realized that it was significantly longer than the "Trip-4". Loaded with some of those heavy 300gr bullet ought to make it a real "penetrator". I was just trying to think of any animals in the PA area in the size range of an elephant, buffalo, hippo! [Wink]

It's too bad that you can't try that in field pistol events...oh well, there's always big bore! [Big Grin]

Well Brett, ifn i ever have to go hunt some BIG animals i think between the OTT 444 and this thing i will have it covered! [Big Grin] [Wink] As for PA, it should work nicely on woodchucks!! [Big Grin]
 
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First Test Loads!! [Wink]

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Tryin to contain meself!! [Frown] [Big Grin]
 
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Nice pic Mike. Good luck.

Jules,

Wait on booking the room in June, we should make sure there is someone to visit first.

LOL, [Big Grin]
 
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Mike all I can say is you the man dude. You got some stones to shoot that. Just call me the wuss from the SW Mo
 
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I just got my Ruger #1 back with the 25" barrel and 7+# weight, I can't imagine firing that cartridge in a handgun!

Where did you find a "Pet Loads" book for the .405? I'm curious if there's load data for the 400gr bullets used in the 450/400 cartridge.

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I just got my Ruger #1 back with the 25" barrel and 7+# weight, I can't imagine firing that cartridge in a handgun!

Where did you find a "Pet Loads" book for the .405? I'm curious if there's load data for the 400gr bullets used in the 450/400 cartridge.

Rick

Hi Rick, there is load data for 400 grain cast bullets. If you are interested, send me an e-mail...
 
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MSSmagnum, Does your 405 have a muzzle brake?
> I have a 416VVC encore (its a full bull no brake)and find a good shooting glove (or mountain bike type glove) helps a lot.
It is also pretty good on woodchucks with 350gr speers.
> The January 2002 edition of Rifle magazine (no. 199) has a write up on the 405win, from Brian Pearce. It has some load info in for 300gr bullets. If you don't have it I could write it up for ya.

>Hornady makes nice brass don't they.
 
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MSSmagnum, Does your 405 have a muzzle brake?
> I have a 416VVC encore (its a full bull no brake)and find a good shooting glove (or mountain bike type glove) helps a lot.
It is also pretty good on woodchucks with 350gr speers.
> The January 2002 edition of Rifle magazine (no. 199) has a write up on the 405win, from Brian Pearce. It has some load info in for 300gr bullets. If you don't have it I could write it up for ya.

>Hornady makes nice brass don't they.

No brake! [Big Grin] I hve hearing damage and cant take the extra noise. If you have the time, yes, i would like that data. You can NEVER have too much data. I have not seen the Bertram brass but have been told to stay away from it as it is soft. The Hornady is pretty consistent and they do anneal the neck which should help extend the life.

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This info is from a Win model 95 24" barrel.
>300gr, Kodiak ......Varget.....57gr..2228fps
>300gr, Kodiak ......RL15.......58gr..2125fps Extreme Spread 8 fps

>300gr,Woodleigh .....RL7........53gr..2298fps 2nd Most Accurate Load
>300gr,Woodleigh .....H4895........59gr..2317fps
>300gr,Woodleigh .....IMR 3031.....56gr..2246fps
>300gr,Woodleigh .....IMR 3031.....57gr..2311fps

all of the above are Woodleigh Weldcore Softnoses

>300gr,Hawk softnose..VV-N130....51gr..2246fps Most Accurate Load
>300gr,Hawk softnose..IMR 4320...59gr..2315fps 3rd Most Accurate Load
Above 0.035 Jacket

>300gr,Hawk softnose..W 748......58gr..2090fps
>300gr,Hawk softnose..W 748......59gr..2158fps
Above 0.050 Jacket

>300gr,Cast Performance GC..W748...55gr....2062fps

>312gr,NEI 226 GC.....IMR 3031...43gr....1829fps
>312gr,NEI 226 GC.....IMR 3031...45gr....1911fps
>312gr,NEI 226 GC.....IMR 3031...48.5gr..2105fps

Bertram Brass was used and Win Large Primers
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I know understand why the say it kills on one end and maims on the other! [Eek!]

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In one word VISCOUS!! This thing makes the 444 Marlin seem like a 44mag. Didnt get it sighted in, only shot 12 rounds. Check out the pic of my index finger on the group (link below). I am gonna try some of the lighter bullets next, need to tame that recoil a lil, LOL!! [Big Grin]

BTW, I LIKE IT!!! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
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Accurate provided the following data for AA2015.

Caliber: 405Winchester.

Reduced loads.

Powder: AA(XMP) 5744.
Bullet weight: 300grains
Start load: 22.0 grains (approx 1200Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 28.0 grains (approx 1550Ft/p/sec)

High Velocity (optimum loads)
Powder: AA (XMR) 2015.
Bullet weight: 200grains
Start load: 49.0 grains (approx 2000-2100Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 55.0grains (approx 2400-2500Ft/p/sec)

Bullet weight: 300grains
Start load: 43.0 grains (approx 1700Ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 50.0grains (approx 2000Ft/p/sec)

I have loaded some using RE7 and 210's, gonna load some with 2015 tomorrow and hope to get them chrono'd. [Big Grin]
 
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300 grain Hornady's are running 2100fps, still have a few grains to go till i reach max per Ken Waters! Appears that i am only losing 100fps from his data in a 24" barrel!! [Eek!] [Big Grin]
 
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Mike,

Are you ready for my recipe for the 300gr Barnes X at 2450fps? [Wink] [Wink] [Wink]

I've also been using the 265gr WNFP GC bullets from Oregon Trail Bullet Comp. (800)811-0548. I see you have a similar bullet in one of your recipes. This one has two grease grooves and a gas check looks really good in that .405 case. So far I haven't chrono'd my load but they went into .8" at fifty yards and dimpled a steel plate at 60yds. No leading either in some limited testing. Recoil was mild too.

shoot safe

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Are you ready for my recipe for the 300gr Barnes X at 2450fps? [Wink] [Wink] [Wink]

FROM A HANDGUN?!?!?!?! [Eek!] I have to assume this is from a rifle....

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I've also been using the 265gr WNFP GC bullets from Oregon Trail Bullet Comp. (800)811-0548. I see you have a similar bullet in one of your recipes. This one has two grease grooves and a gas check looks really good in that .405 case. So far I haven't chrono'd my load but they went into .8" at fifty yards and dimpled a steel plate at 60yds. No leading either in some limited testing. Recoil was mild too.

There is nothing "mild" about those bullets with 53 grains of RE7 behind em in me pistol, LOL! I have not shot them for groups yet but will soon.

I am interested in any info! [Big Grin]
 
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Mike,

Nope that 300gr is from a 24" Ruger #1, I don't think it'd be too much fun out of a handcannon and it's over listed max so you're on you're own there.

I've been using Varget for just about everything lately, it's probably way too slow to do much good in a pistol length barrel but 45.0gr seems very mild with the 265gr cast and tried to poke them through the same hole at fifty yards inspite of my poor marksmanship.

YMMV and my loading data might cause a conflagration of world shattering proportions in your gun. Only use my loading data if your family attorney approves it.

Rick

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Nope that 300gr is from a 24" Ruger #1, I don't think it'd be too much fun out of a handcannon and it's over listed max so you're on you're own there.

Aint soundin like a load i wanna try! [Big Grin]

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I've been using Varget for just about everything lately, it's probably way too slow to do much good in a pistol length barrel but 45.0gr seems very mild with the 265gr cast and tried to poke them through the same hole at fifty yards inspite of my poor marksmanship.

Rick

Thanks for the info. I am currently working with RE7 but might try some others in the future....
 
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MSS--More load data for the 405Win. This is from the Hornady Sixth Edition. Win Mod. 1895 24" barrel 1-14" twist Col 3.175" All are max loads.
Rl-7 -- 45.5gr 2100fps
H322 -- 44.9gr 2000fps
AA2015 -- 51.3gr. 2200fps
IMR 3031 -- 50.6gr. 2100fps
VIHT N-133-- 52.6gr. 2200fps
H 4895 -- 55.8gr. 2250fps
 
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MSS--More load data for the 405Win. This is from the Hornady Sixth Edition. Win Mod. 1895 24" barrel 1-14" twist Col 3.175" All are max loads.
Rl-7 -- 45.5gr 2100fps
H322 -- 44.9gr 2000fps
AA2015 -- 51.3gr. 2200fps
IMR 3031 -- 50.6gr. 2100fps
VIHT N-133-- 52.6gr. 2200fps
H 4895 -- 55.8gr. 2250fps

Is that for their 300 grain bullet?? [Eek!]

Seems a lil light......sounds like laywer data. [Frown] I am shooting 53 grains of RE7 and their 300 to get 2100 outta me 16" barrel! [Big Grin]
 
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[Confused] Sorry I forgot the bullet. Yeh it's their 300gr (Text says Round Nose-- Picture say Flat Point? How could something flat have a point?) They don't list the pressure. I just got the books out of the wrapper. Thought you might be interested in the loads.

How do your pistol bullets work at high velocity? I got a set of bullet sizing dies (Jacketed Bullets) from CH&4D. I've sized down 0.430" bullets to 0.416" for my 416VVC (15" encore). I figure, I should be able to get 2200fps out of 300gr bullets-being I get 2075fps with 350gr Speers. 180gr@ maybe 2600fps or more. These bullets should be fun to shoot out of my 416 Taylor (rifle). [Big Grin]
 
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How do your pistol bullets work at high velocity?

According to Ken Waters, they work great! I have yet to really wring this thing out, still working on loads and trying to determine which bullet that i am going to "standardize" on. Looks like it will be the Remington 210 JSP. I can tell you from past experience that this bullets is purty tough, i think that it will work out well. Hope to get out this week and do some more load testing and hopefully some accuracy/chrono work. [Big Grin]
 
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