WHEN YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE!

I am not going to stand by while someone steals the information and let them profit from it, especially when they also turn around and take what they picked up from me and then compete against me. One or the other, I would let slide, but not both.

REF: www.wcforshee.com , specifically the Encore Trigger Jobs CD and Craig's Custom Encore Springs.

Come hell or highwater, the material is going online, NO CHARGE, FREE, PUBLIC DOMAIN.

Anyone who got the first version of the CDs back in January of 2001 will tell you it has MY name as the copyright holder and MY picture in the CD. It is MY hands doing the work, not Craig Forshee's. Recent "versions," which are nothing but his perversions of the original, state that "he" is the one showing how to do the trigger jobs. This is a blantant lie.

And claiming copyright to the material is out and out theft. He may have changed things enough from the original to squeak by in court, but it is still theft. He was told explicitly the material I wrote and the photos were my intellectual property, which I gave him permission to use so long as credit for the source was given. When he stopped giving credit for the source, permission was retracted.

Forshee blew in here from Texas and married Dee's neice about 3 years ago. The material on the CD was given to him to use to help "family." He has since gone back to Texas, minus the tropical bird and horse on his website that he thought he was going to walk off with also.

I respectfully request that you do not patronize him. There is no longer any connection between us at all, and he in no way represents me.

The decision to put the instructional materials online for free was just made today. I have not started to transfer the files from my v.1.0 copy to html files yet. If someone who is quick on websites wants to put the files into Front Page for me so I can edit them, it would be much appreciated, not only by me, but all the rest in the fraternity who will find the information and the additional material I have to offer quite valuable to them.

Mad as hell? You bet. Wouldn't you be? But every Encore shooter from here on out will be able to go online and get 1) step by step instructions, from 2) someone who has done hundreds of Encore trigger jobs, and 3) technical support.

And for all the statements he makes about new tips, etc., there are none. I never gave them to him, but YOU can get it for free.

I would appreciate it very much if you would spread the word about the CDs and the information becoming available online.

Thank you for your support.

Mike Bellm

Mike,

Just put it on the TC-List.... Sorry to hear it's turned out this way.

$bob$

Mike...you may remember I purchased one of your Very first CD's on YOUR trigger job. I know what you say is true!!....Their is Some ASS on the pond ..(he post their some) that tried to tell me that you were NOT the Original owner of this CD. I know better But then the MENTALITY of some of the guys on another forum....Shoot their fingers off...Blow holes in their trucks...cut their penis off ....Oh well
Never have liked Swimming too much

Fireball

Fireball,
Thanks for verifying what I said. There are a bunch of guys on the TC-L who bought the original CDs on a group purchase who will vouch for the content of the CD, including 1) my picture, butt ugly as it is, and 2)copyright 2000 Mike Bellm in the text of the CD's content.

Forshee did make changes to the CD. I understand some changes were necessary for various operating systems that followed, and he did add pages with listings of springs, parts, and things for sale to the CD. You can call that Version XYZ all day long, but the original intellectual property is still mine, and that is what the original agreement was based on. To take my name and picture out of the CD is a change alright, but hardly worthy of being called "latest version" or "only available from this page." There have been no updates to the content of the CD for probably at least a year, and those that were made were only minor "tips." There has been nothing of any significance, in my opinion, and I should know.

One of the versions had it reading that "he," Forshee, had been an Air Force Armorer... "He" wasn't even smart enough to take that out, and I called him on it. Latest "version" I have reads that "he" is the one giving the instructions, which is totally untrue, also, even though he did take out the part about being an Air Force Armorer.

A dollar to a doughnut hole wager says that the "dannoboone" making the post is none other than Forshee himself. When I went there looking for the post, I did not find it, and GB may have very well deleted it. Is it still there?

Some of the guys have already emailed him expressing their feelings about his tactics, and I invite you to do the same. Maybe if he feels the heat, he will see the light.

Regardless, my personal copy of v. 1.0 will be published as public domain ALONG WITH actual updates on techniques I have developed doing hundreds of trigger jobs, hands on..... like, ME, MYSELF, and I..... NONE of the material is copied from anyone else anywhere at anytime. And please remind me if I neglect to add material about using the assembly pin and give credit to Dave Strobach as the one who gave me the idea, whose permission to use it was freely granted, btw.

When I pick up and use an idea from someone else, I usually first ask them if I may use it, and then unless they say otherwise, feel it only right to give credit to the person whose idea it was.

As another example, I've posted before that one of the guys at Alliance came up with what appears to be the perfect design for a set of pliers for installing the Encore springs. I use the pair I got from him all the time and love 'em. I have asked him repeatedly to quote me a price for making and supplying them to me for resale. If he chooses not to make them for me, at a minimum, I will give him credit for the idea.

What's fair is fair.

1buba, please add this to my favorite sayings page:
"If the truth isn't good enough, what is?"

Thanks, guys.

Mike

Mike,

Looks like he has seen your statements regarding the CD Rom's, as he posted this to his website, which he posted on 08/17/02. It is "paraphrased" so as to not infringe on his own stated copyrights:
Contrary to any statement on Bellm's page I possess the copy right to this disk, he is currently copying and advertising Ver #1.85,(two version back) and putting on his own labels

---This is sad. I hope your posting the trigger jobs for free puts an end to this man's theft of your property. The guy sounds like a real turd.

[ 08-18-2002, 05:34: Message edited by: Sean HHI #7364 ]

Mike, I sent an order in this week and one of the items was the CD for windows 98& up. I still want my copy from the stock you have on hand.
At 10 bucks it is still a great value.
I want an original Mike Bellm supplied CD, even if it does have a stick on lable!

Credit should be given where credit is due.
If he is so good at T/C actions could he do one for the Contender's???? Doubt it!!!!

Just what part of Texas did he move to....
We have laws here about horse theives and it is still unlawful to carry fence pliers with you in some counties if your not on your own property!

Mike the on hand ones I'm sure are fine. NO need to copy the original.

Heck I don't even have an Encore yet. Of course I sure was scouting around for one at the Gun Show today.

I've got the Wyoming stones and EZELAP but they are for my use only. My shootin buddies will have to get their own.

My $.02.... I have version 1.5 and yes it does have a "butt ugly" picture. Post mark on the mail package is 01/09/2001. Copyright is in fact 2000.
I am sorry that has come to posting this info for free as we all have to make a living and should be able to profit from our knowledge and ingenuity.
(Forshee needs to get a life of his own as most leeches will end up as bait in the pond.)
Rick

[ 08-18-2002, 14:09: Message edited by: cricker ]

Cricker,
Sorry about the butt ugly picture. THAT "update" did not occur until after he skipped town. Maybe that update was an improvement to the CD and he has a valid point to base his "update" claims on.

You said it read copyright 2000, but copyright by whom.... Forshee or me?

As I explained in our original agreement, Forshee's and mine, my interests were two fold: 1) to supply the materials for doing the trigger jobs and 2) to establish and enhance my credibility.

My return is from sales of the springs, stones, EZE Lap, etc. associated with doing the trigger jobs, and for those who do not elect to do their own, they can see graphically what I do and how I do it, as well as establish a reliability factor regarding the safety of the work I do by outlining the safety function checks.

I did not exact a royalty from him for the use of the CD. So from that standpoint, I did not intend to profit from the sales of the CDs other than the one's I obtained from him and sold myself.

Since direct profit from the sales of the CDs was not my primary objective in the first place, making the instructions public domain is not such a drastic step to take.

Forshee is attempting to take from me my two objectives as stated above, and I won't roll over and let him. At least he will not profit from my work if he persists in doing what he is doing.

People. There are sure some strange ones with strange ways of looking at things. Keeps life interesting though.

Mike

Mike,
Sorry I left this out......Copyright 2000 Dennis M."Mike" Bellm.
There is no doubt that this is your material and should be respected as such.
Rick

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