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Experience pistoleros: Please read the following and give me an estimate of what you think this gun is worth. Assume everything is used, but in good condition. XP-100 Reargrip model. --McMillian Stock modified to fit heavy barrel --Canjar Trigger --1" Stainless Shilen barrel in tight necked 6 PPC --Burris 3-9 LER scope (gloss) mounted in Remington rings. --Bolt opened to PPC and Sako extractor added --60 pieces of Sako brass (turned) There is no right or wrong answer. I bought this and want another person's perspective. My hunting buddy thinks I paid too much. Thanks in advance.  [ 11-30-2003, 12:17: Message edited by: AlanC ] | ||
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quote:Greetings! This is strictly from the perspective of an avid handgun hunter and shooter who is also in the business and knows the market. For the entire package, as an FFL dealer and if I were selling it, and did not want to sit on it for a year + before finding the exact buyer who was looking for just that piece [very difficult to find someone who wants EXACTLY what someone else wants by way of custom ork] I'd price it "to sell" at $1100.00 to $1250.00 to start, and be happy if I got $900.00 to $1000.00 for the entire package. Some of the features are quite pricy and may be attractive to you, and to me ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif){kind=icon} and to the fellow who had the work done, but the custom chambering with bolt face work and alteration, exact choice of stock [I'd have chosen a laminate heavy thumbhole and a Burris AO for paralax tweeking to see full accuracy potential as the Leupold EER scopes are typically paralax set for 100yrds by the factory] etc all militate against getting full or near to full value for a piece that is that purpose and specifically "custom" built, unless of course the seller was shooting the gun and someone happened to see it and say "I want!" Then, under that condition of "I want what you got: how much?" it is strictly a sellers market, and $1500.00 to $2000.00 would not be unusual ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon} | |||
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quote:Alan, I think that Sean described it well - I concur with his post. Bet it's a one-holer.... Regards, Bill | |||
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My first question is how many rounds have been through the barrel? If it is exactly what I wanted, I wouldn't pay what it would cost me to build one exactly like it. What Shilen barrel, what length, was the gunsmith an average smith or an accuracy smith (specializing in benchrest work)? If the length of the barrel is 14-15 inches it is possible that the original owner paid half the price of a full length barrel. If it is over 15 inches than he likely had to purchase a whole rifle blank to have it built. How was the barrel broke in? Did the owner use copper or nylon brushes? All of this may sound nit picking, but if I am going to pay a premium price I want to know as much as possible these kind of questions. Usually, for a used custom gun I would pay between 600-900. I would pay less for a xp-100r than I would and XP-100 since the xp-100 can work well either center or rear grip and the action is a solid bottom, therefore more rigid. When I have a custom gun built I know I will never get out of it what I payed to have it done for some of the reasons mentioned above. It sounds like a shooter, keep us updated on it's performance. Ernie | |||
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The price depends on a couple of things. First, unless you have someone who absolutely must have the piece, then one will never recoup what was put into a customized item. The features of this particular XP aren't exactly my cup of tea, and therefore, to me, the "right" price would be no more than $875. Depending on a couple other things, it could even be a tad less -- as low as $675. But like I said, for someone who the piece appeals to, the perceived value could be higher. [ 11-21-2003, 18:58: Message edited by: Bobby Tomek ] | |||
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Good point Bobby. If I ever sell it, I will put a big number on it and hope that someone as XP addicted as me buys it. | |||
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AlanC,I pretty much do as Bill did above, tear it apart piece by piece to see about how much is in it to begin with. The prices I would say are real close to full suggested retail, so on the stock, barrel, scope and brass I myself would bump the price down 25-30% right off the top. The problem with some custom guns is the same as custom cars. If ya can find one close to what you have in mind for building you should be able to save a few $$. That is getting to be a cliche' around these parts, "well you couldn't build it for that", I should hope not or I would have one to begin with . I know where there are a couple of Wichita's that are priced way lower than some of the "custom" XP's I have seen.I always figure there are three prices to everything. The tag price, the real price and the selling price. Bottom line, if you are happy with the package for what ya have in it everything else is irrelivent. Watch out for those XP's though. The multiply like TC barrels. Why just a while back I had another one fit my hand so well it followed me home ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif){kind=icon} .Jeff | |||
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Is there an XP annoyomous anywhere? I am sure I need help! I can remember when "Big Green" brought rear grip XP's out. I thought they were hideous and I vidoo'd 'em for getting rid of my beloved centergrip. Now I am paying premium prices. If I was a horse, they'd shoot me for sure! | |||
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If there is an "XPA" or "SHA" (specialty handguns annoyomous) group out there I'm not interested in knowing about it. This is an addiction I want to keep. Ernie | |||
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I dont think anything over $900 would be sell-able at least not to anyone who is knowledgeable in customs/high end work. But you didnt say you were selling it! Load it up, add a little more powder and let'er rip! I know of many xp's/ wichita mk-40's that would give most custom varmint rigs a run for their money. | |||
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quote:Jeff, Yes, I did kind of figure what it would cost to build such a gun, "?" indicates that I am not really sure what "market price" is. Alan said "used, but in good condition", so I assumed LN condition on everything. Good catch. Regards, Bill | |||
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