VA's Governor and Attorney General are both hard-core Liberals. They are trying every trick they can get away with to hinder law-abiding citizens of the Commonwealth:

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

MO resident, But I can OC if I wish in VA? Right?

You must apply for an out of state concealed carry to carry in Illinois, plus it will cost $300 for a 5 year permit, residents pay half that. pretty much saying we don't want you

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They are trying every trick they can get away with to hinder law-abiding citizens of the Commonwealth:

What has not honoring reciprocity with 25 other states got to do with law abiding citizens of Virginia? They still honor the permits of several other states don't they? It is NOT uncommon to not have a reciprocal agreement with a state whose CCW permitting process is deemed "lax" or not up to the same standards as the "home" state.
"This year, Herring’s office began a review of reciprocity agreements Virginia has with 30 other states. Attorneys discovered that 25 of those states had concealed handgun permit regulations that were weaker than Virginia’s."
Peter.

Two more years of Democrat "common sense". Look out, McAuliffe wants to be Hillary's VP.

Peter, several states will only recognize reciprocal agreements. For example, Ohio can't recognize Virginia if Virginia won't recognize Ohio.

You are correct, Sam, and as the article states, several states will now not honor Virginia issued CCW permits. Is this hindering law abiding citizens of Virginia? I hate to say this but even law abiding citizens of Virginia must abide by the laws of the state in which they are travelling or living.
Peter

MN did about the same thing this last summer they passed a law that was suppose to loosen up reciprocity but the anti's used to tighten it.

I carry in other states where I have no "permit" to do so and really don't give a shit. I have one for Pa and that is it and if Pa says I am smart enough to carry, the rest can shove their rules. Nobody has the right to take away my rights...to keep and bear arms..to protect myself and family. MY rights, to ME trump any states rights they feel they have over me, which are mostly political anyway. They can all kiss my ass...I am going to carry my piece wherever I go.

This is why we need a national permit system. Imagine what would happen if states didn't honor each other's auto registrations, license plates, or drivers licenses. Different states have differing age, eyesight, and test criteria yet all states recognize all other states when it come to driving. National carry permits are the only fix.

...Full faith and credit clause....

I have petitioned my state senator and representative to initiate legislation to void reciprocity with any state that fails to recognize MOs....seems only fair. Currently we recognize any CCW.

Examples of Virginia's higher standards for CHP are not having 2 misdemeanors in the past 5 years or not having a DUI in three years. Or the Virginia statute about crimes committed as a minor that would have been felonies as an adult and imposing an age that you are eligible for a permit. None of these prohibit you from possessing a fhand gun in Virvinia , except a different age limit for the former minor.

The Virginia State Police have no records for crimes committed by legal concealed carriers from other states in Virginia. The AG does have a letter from Lori Haas and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. Every state branch of CSGV has submitted a letter to their AG thanks to Bloomberg's financing.

While this does not affect Virginia residents in Virginia it keeps Virginians from carrying in effected states. At the same time any resident from outside of Virginia can legally open carry in Virginia. The AG hasn't done any thing except inconvenience gun owners.

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
I carry in other states where I have no "permit" to do so and really don't give a shit. I have one for Pa and that is it and if Pa says I am smart enough to carry, the rest can shove their rules. Nobody has the right to take away my rights...to keep and bear arms..to protect myself and family. MY rights, to ME trump any states rights they feel they have over me, which are mostly political anyway. They can all kiss my ass...I am going to carry my piece wherever I go.

I tend to agree that you are right. However I think having to spend a year or two in a prison with REAL criminals WITHOUT YOUR GUN, may prove incentive to change your thinking on the subject!
I'm with you on the meaning of second amendment, but I do not break any states laws, but carry where I'm allowed to carry. Simply breaking the carry laws of any state is not going to get us the rights we deserve, but simply make criminals out of us as well. I'm not trying to tell you or anyone else what to do, but I think the sound of that barred cell door slamming may change your mind in short order! In many states the carrying of an unlicensed handgun is a class 1 felony, and can get you a couple of years in the big house.

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I just tend to avoid spending time and money in personal self defense free zones....

Gov McAulliffe caved. He's going to honor reciprocity agreements as in the past, in exchange for some concessions from Virginia Republicans. Story on Breitbart and Drudge.

I'm waiting for the official.press release but from what has been reported there is no gain for the Governor. Everything in the paper today points to "passing" a law already passed in 2011 and granting the voluntary background checks the Democrats shotdown 2 years ago in exchange for keeping reciprocity the way it was.

Here you go



http://www.gunwatch.blogspot.c...ffe-capitulates.html

Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe will announce Friday his administration will restore handgun reciprocity agreements with almost all 25 states his attorney general, Mark Herring, previously announced the state would stop recognizing, The Washington Post reported.

The surprising reversal came after Virginia Republicans struck a deal with McAuliffe.

In exchange for Herring withdrawing last month’s state reciprocity cancellations, Republicans agreed to legislation that states anyone with a permanent protective order for a domestic violence offense will be banned from carrying a firearm for the two-year life of the order.

“This is a bipartisan deal that will make Virginians safer,” McAuliffe spokesman Brian Coy said. “It also demonstrates that Democrats and Republicans can work together on key issues like keeping guns out of dangerous hands.”

The NRA praised the deal.

Adolph Hitler said similar things about gun control when he enacted scary laws.

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anyone with a permanent protective order for a domestic violence offense will be banned from carrying a firearm for the two-year life of the order.

Hell, the Constitution doesn't say anything about protective domestic violence orders. These guys should be able to carry guns. It doesn't say anything about convicted criminals either. They should be allowed to carry guns as well. This is discrimination pure and simple, not just unconstitutional!
Peter.

Peter,

there is also something about "render unto Caesar..."

If the government enacts a law you disagree with, you are still bound to obey it as long as it is a LAW!

The Constitution is not a legal version of a buffet, where you pick and choose.

Neither are the Ten Commandments.

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Originally posted by Woodrow S:
I carry in other states where I have no "permit" to do so and really don't give a shit. I have one for Pa and that is it and if Pa says I am smart enough to carry, the rest can shove their rules. Nobody has the right to take away my rights...to keep and bear arms..to protect myself and family. MY rights, to ME trump any states rights they feel they have over me, which are mostly political anyway. They can all kiss my ass...I am going to carry my piece wherever I go.

X2 I have been carrying for over 40 years without a permit. Was arrested 1X for it not charged & released.
When my warehouse was broken into & the deputy showed up to file report he asked me if I had a gun. I said yes but no permit.
his reply was "GOOD". Went on to say he use to carry all the time before he became an LEO & his family thought he was crazy. Now that he was a Sheriff & from what he has seen & dealt with he knew he wasn't

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Originally posted by Peter:

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anyone with a permanent protective order for a domestic violence offense will be banned from carrying a firearm for the two-year life of the order.

Hell, the Constitution doesn't say anything about protective domestic violence orders. These guys should be able to carry guns. It doesn't say anything about convicted criminals either. They should be allowed to carry guns as well. This is discrimination pure and simple, not just unconstitutional!
Peter.

Let me understand. You support allowing convicted criminals carrying concealed weapons and people with protective orders against them carrying concealed weapons?????

I attended a concealed carry class recently. I was appalled at the people that were attended. At least half did not appear capable of reading the warning on a sniff can or filling out a job application form without misspelling their names.

I would support much stricter control of who qualifies to carry any gun, let alone a concealed one....

Letting convicted criminals carry a concealed gun,,, that takes the cake...

There should be a law about common sense as well....

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attended a concealed carry class recently. I was appalled at the people that were attended. At least half did not appear capable of reading the warning on a sniff can or filling out a job application form without misspelling their names.

CCW holders have a lower crime rate then LEO's per hundred thousand.

Having taught CCW classes I found the students to be fine up standing citizens.

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Let me understand. You support allowing convicted criminals carrying concealed weapons and people with protective orders against them carrying concealed weapons?????

Sorry, dogcat, my comment was a little tongue in cheek. I do not support the categories you state, I was simply pointing out that those who support carrying firearms as a 'constitutional right" should be aware that the document does NOT say that the above folks should NOT be allowed to carry. Personally, I have no problem with the requirement to "get a permit" for CCW.
Peter