you are an average joe civilian with a concealed weapon permit. (this should cover most) you have decided to carry regularly deciding on whatever gun you chose, be it revolver or auto. Now for discussion, why do you want to carry extra mags or speed loaders? you are not a cop, not in a war etc. if you need to pull your gun out it will be in a close in situation and the outcome will be decided in a second or 2, so why burden yourself with extra equipment?

Some in the CCW crowd can't seem to let go of the "Special Agent" aura. I've seen (Glock Talk), discussions about if it's OK to take the Glock into the shower at home. (Shades of Hitchcock's Psycho . . . only the psycho is taking the shower.)

I've seen discussion of "equipment belts" that included everything short of an entrenching tool, and a shelter half. I really don't need to carry handcuffs to the corner grocery to pick up a quart of milk. My coffee house is pretty secure.

Most of the time, lately, it's a 9mm Kahr in the computer bag, one mag, no spare ammo.

Going on 63 and never have needed even to rustle through the bag for defense. (I open carry in the field, and that's been useful.)

CCW instructor here, first words: "Get it out of your head right now the idea that you're some sort of arm of law enforcement."

Agreed. If I have a problem that can't be solved with 10 rounds of 40 S&W 180 Gr. HP ammunition then I am in WAY over my head and I need to bug out of there.
Peter.

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if you need to pull your gun out it will be in a close in situation and the outcome will be decided in a second or 2

Because you don't know that. If you are a psychic and can tell me what bad think I will run into, and on what day, please PM me so I can stay home on that day, and send the Boys in blue out to take care of it for me. Until then, I think I will carry a couple of extra mags just in case.

We carry for the unknow. An extra Mag or two provides additional option for a wider variety of scenerios.

Do you drive a car?
do you have collision coverage?

but why? You know you wouldn't get into an accident?

Same theory I suppose. Just insurance. (although I agree some people go a wee overboard in my opinion, but whatever, it's their life, doesn't bug me).

So if you carry a 5 shot revolver and two speed loaders for 15 is that enough

or a 1911 with a spare mag for 16

Or a Glock 17 with 18 rounds do you need a spare mag at all.

I do carry spare ammo all the time, some times its a few rounds droped in the pocket for my Ti 41 mag other times its a spare mag for my hi cap auto.

All depends on what I feel like thst day.

The weak link in any semi auto is the magazine. Also if your mag release gets pressed/ activated your standing there with a one shot weapon.You can start searching the floor or just slap in that extra mag.

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I like a 1911 in 45 ACP with an 8 round amg and one the the chamber for 9 rounds and a spare 10 round mag just in case

I always carry at least one spare magazine on my person
Remember those malfunction drills??????

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The weak link in any semi auto is the magazine. Also if your mag release gets pressed/ activated your standing there with a one shot weapon.You can start searching the floor or just slap in that extra mag.

And if it has a magaznie disconnect safety, you won't even have the one round.

The answer depends on what I'm carrying and where I'm going. If I'm carrying my Taurus and going out to dinner. Just five rounds. Same gun on a road trip, two speed loaders. If I'm going to the local 7-11 at 9:30 PM I may have a loaded Beretta 92/SIG 226 in the open, 15 rounds. No spare mag. If it's the car gun a spare mag or two. For almost anywhere you may run into more than one or two "problem children". It's common to hear "don't go to those neighborhoods" but criminals don't stay in their neighborhoods. Any road trip has a .22 and a couple of boces of ammo. I've ran across a couple of nice ranges on vacation.

And if it has a magaznie disconnect safety, you won't even have the one round. [/QUOTE]

You are correct sir.

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so why burden yourself with extra equipment?

To make sure I am prepared for what may happen....same reason I carry to begin with.

Kinda like keeping that extra $20/$50/$100 tucked in your wallet....

Some places I like having an AK-47 and a 75 rd. drum mag. Other places I feel "complete" with a pocket knife.

If and when I carry it just one mag in the gun.
7+1 rounds in my Tomcat 32ACP or 10+1 in my Beretta 84 380ACP.

Three reasons:

Multiple assailants.

Riots.

Because a few more ounces won't matter.

George

First of all, I do not carry extra mags ok. I do however carry more than one pistol. I never try to unjam a pistol, it takes to much time period.

On the other hand, I can draw that next choice of pistol in less than 1 second. My Glocks are 10mm cal. and weight never entered the picture. I have 47 rounds between my pistol total and that will suffice.

Blue Dog,

I thought I was the ultimate OCD advocate of redundancy here. Thanks, now I can justify that I'm not paranoid by carrying a couple of spare mags.

i was in a little resturant once when a woman dropped her purse , a 4in smith 357 goes skidding across the floor, then she fumbles again and about a dozen loose rounds scatter. giving her age and weight the only thing she wasnt ready for was a photo shoot

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I have 47 rounds between my pistol total and that will suffice.

So Blue Dog, are you carrying two, or THREE Glocks?

Well young fellow, I carry whatever the hell I think I might need at the time. I didn't just step off the boat from the old country day before yesterday!

Now being Irish and spending some time years ago, in South Boston and in New York's Hell's Kitchen, I do know how to take care of myself and those that wish to do me and my friends harm.

In my younger days I carried a Colt Python, 1911 and small .38 too and sawed off shotgun especially in the winter months. Now I just carry those ugly plastic pistols you know in 10mm & 45acp. You do the math Mr. Speedgoat, I've already been to the school of hard knocks and graduated the head of my class ok.

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Well young fellow, I carry whatever the hell I think I might need at the time. I didn't just step off the boat from the old country day before yesterday!

Now being Irish and spending some time years ago, in South Boston and in New York's Hell's Kitchen, I do know how to take care of myself and those that wish to do me and my friends harm.

In my younger days I carried a Colt Python, 1911 and small .38 too and sawed off shotgun especially in the winter months. Now I just carry those ugly plastic pistols you know in 10mm & 45acp. You do the math Mr. Speedgoat, I've already been to the school of hard knocks and graduated the head of my class ok.

I just want to see that sawed off shootsgun shoved down ur pants

I have a different outlook on this matter.

Because of the way I have to dress for work it is hard to carry a full size with a high cap mag.

To off set that I carry a Bersa .380 Thunder with 2 spare mags in my back pocket.

If I have to change mags...the other 2 are for getting my ass back to my truck where the big, high cap one is.

Woodmnctry, now who in the holy mother of may I, said anything about shoving a shotgun down my pants? The shotgun was worn under my overcoat, with a 3/8 plastic covered cable attached to the gun and around and over my right shoulder. All I had to do is swing it up into place. This was carried in the fall & winter months. Especially handy when collections were due! My boss WB used to call me a walking arsenal!

Sawed off shotgun....
So BD was this back in the 1920's, or did you just ignore all the NFA rules?

Now then A.S., who the hell is the NFA? Is that like the NEA? 1920's eh, you must be trying to be a smartass, as that figure alone would make me at least 130 years old! Perhaps YOU did not do well in school with figures, are You trying to be a "wise-a$$" and please lets not have you confuse that with a Wise-Guy OK.

Forgetaboutit........I don't think you would ever qualify and my boss never liked a smartass or jokers, or those that indulged in to much of anything food, drink, women etc.

His crew of Irish Southies was not like the grease heads. Displine, loyalty and those who did a job right. Not to mention taking care of their bodies too!. I am 72 for your information kid!

BlueDog -

So, I gather you carried three Glocks at a time?

In my 10 m/m Glock, that would be required to get to the 47 rounds you mention. My model 20 has a 15-round maximum magazine capacity. With one in the chamber, that's a max of 16 rounds per pistol. Without one in the chamber of at least two of them, even three 10 m/m Glocks would have less than 47 rounds on tap without reloading.

Of course it is possible to buy and install two round mag-extending floor plates, for a total of 17 rounds per mag. Together with one round in the chamber for 18 rounds per gun, that still means three Glocks would be required if a person carries no spare mags.

Me, I just carry my Glock 20 (10 m/m) with one in the chamber and a full mag (total 16 rounds), and two spare mags with 15 rounds each. Total, 46 available rounds of 10 m/m. And that's in my car....

Out on the street, I just carry either one Glock, or 1 S&W 940 (5-shot) in 9 m/m.

Have had to use a firearm three times when in off-duty dress. Twice in San Fran, CA and once in Okla City, OK. In those days I regularly carried a 4" DA "Colt .357" (my duty weapon, not a Python).

In the two San Fran incidents it was plenty. Oddly enough, in the Okla City draw-down I happened to have an M-2 Carbine with two 30-round mags taped together. Would-be perps may have set land-speed world records leaving the scene in their few year-old Buick.

Anyway, I'm somewhat confused as to what you actually carried in Boston. Perhaps you could clarify? And would you still carry the same?

Alberta Canuck,........Never carried extra clips! I guess you will have to back up a thread or 7 and read until your hearts delight!

Most of my associates have passed on to the other side. I am done talking about my days in Bos. Mass and NYC. I left town in the early 90's. I am a retired dog lover. Thank you!

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Alberta Canuck,........Never carried extra clips! I guess you will have to back up a thread or 7 and read until your hearts delight!

Well,I was trying to ask a civil question in a civil manner, so I could understand what you carried. Backing up a thread or 7 means nothing to me. I did go back up a number of posts and had already gathered thatyou carried no spare mags. So, was trying to figure out how you caried 47 rounds on your person.

Most of my associates have passed on to the other side. I am done talking about my days in Bos. Mass and NYC. I left town in the early 90's. I am a retired dog lover. Thank you!

You are not the only one whose associates have mainly passed on, as I am several years older than you are if you are only 71.

Anyway, will move on to something else, as you don't seem interested in answering.

Hasta la vista, y'all.

Alberta Canuck.....I am going to be 73 in just a few days! Now when I was working, I carried a Colt Python, Colt 1911 .45acp and a small .38spl.years ago. Fall & Winter I traded the .38spl for the shotgun under my overcoat. So there you have it sir!

Blue Dog NFA stands for National Firearms Act. It was passed in 1934. Under the NFA, it's generally illegal to own a variety of weapons including Machine guns, short barrel rifles, supressors, and Short Barreled shotguns. A short barreled shotgun is defined as havig a smooth barrel, and either a barrel under 18" in length, or an overall length under 26" in length. It is still possible to own a SBS (short barreled shotgun). You must complete an ATF (ATF stands for Alchol, Tobacco, and Firearms, a division of the Department of Treasury Department) Form 4, Seek permision of local law enforcement (unless you use an NFA Trust), and pay a $200.00 transfer fee for your "tax stamp"

In addition, the Sullivan act (aka the Ganger Protection Act) was passed by NYC's corrupt Tammany Hall in 1911. The Sullivan act required a license for concealible weapons, and made it illegal to carry a concealed weapons. Since then and to this day, NYC permits are generally only available to the politically connected.

Since you don't know what NFA stands for, it's not likely you've ever completed a Form 4. You are only 73, and although you've probaby been shooting at least 70 of those 73 years, that puts these events after 1911, and 1934. "Collections" doesn't exactly sound like out Boys in Blue. The 3/8 Plastic cable again sounds like a blue collar (farm/ranch boy), not a blue uniform solution.

In any event, it appear you have some interesting storys. What I'm trying to figure yout is if you are an original "Hell I was There" guy. If that's the case, I'm sure you have enough stories for a good book. Just make sure the statue of limitations has expired on everything you write about.

When refering to your old boss WB, you mean Whitey Bulger, famed loanshark and head of the Winter Hill Gang, knows for gambling, loan sharking, protections racks, and a fugative on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list, you are right, he probably wouldn't like me. When I carried a machinegun, I did so legally, in defense of God and Country, not some criminal enterprise.

Now it's always possible there is some reasonable explination that would make your younger exploits all legal, I just running out of idea's as to what they might be. This forum is on Personal Defense. One of the most important elements of Personal Defense is keeping it legal. Cut the barrel on a shotgun too short with out the proper paperwork, and you could be looking at some serious Federal time. I belive the manditory minimun is something like 5 years (I sure someone can help me on this), or even worse, you could get your entire family shot. Just ask Randy Weaver.

Now Lad would you by chance be related to Randy Weaver? It seems as though I remember reading something written by the wee little people on the subject but my mine seems to have some how gotten foggy over the years.

Blue Dog.
The ad hominem attack is that last refuge for the defeated mind. Why not just address the substance of the post.

Are you the real deal, and should be be looking for a book, some two bit wannabe who keeps getting better with age, or are you some Bloomberg/ATF Troll intentionally encouraging people to break the law in order to launch another assult on our second amendment rights?
Blue Dog, you are certainly a character, I just haven't decided what kind of character.

Mercy my Lad! It seems as though I asked a question about Randy Weaver and you are now dancing around the mullberry bush aren't you.

My color was greeen not a blue uniform sprout! Now as to weather or not you think I am the "real deal" or not I personally don't give a damn understand.

Yes, on many occasions I do carry 3 Glocks! 2-10mm and the .45acp. I also been known to carry 2 rolls of nickels in my pockets for those who had a cheek to turn. A character you say: Ummmmmmmmmm I don't think you really want to find out and break your mirror. I think your little icons are rather cute too!

Antelope Sniper my dear ladie, I will have to continue this bit of historical discussion tomorrow as my visitors are hear to see me now.

BD, no dancing. By claiming I had some personal relationship to Weaver you committed the logical falicy of Ad Hominiem Attack. Beyond pointing out your faulty reasoning (or lack there of) there is no further need to address it. However, I will say that comment was targets less at you, and more of reminder for rest of the forum readers regarding the possible consequences of what you were proposing, carrying an unlicenced Title II firearms, concealed in NYC. Today that would constitue multiple felonies, and could have very bad consequences for any immulating your "back in the day/ I don't give a frack ways".

As for 3 Glocks, hope you have a good pair of suspends, and that at 73 your still in shape to grab the nickles and mix it up hand to hand. Considering that your wife is 13 years younger then you, it's a good thing. It would be an ironic story if you were carrying 3 glock, a sawed off of self defence, and your younger wife gave you a heart attack.

Glad you liked the smilies. Somtimes you old guys need a laugh.

Hey sonny boy! I never proposed a damn thing. Your not answering my question so what the hell, (my wife told me who he was) I am still around with no one on my backside and weather you consider me the "real deal" or not makes not a dimes worth of difference to me.

My record was for real and those that saw me in action got their moneys worth for a fact. JB liked my grit, attitude and moves none the less! No one intimidated me at all, not even a slick dress G man.

My idea was to stay out of the lime light, not like Rifle or Hit Man, including many of those high dressed Italians etc. I thank my father for the advice years ago!

"Keep your enemies closer than your friends". He rode BG for the man, who took over Mickey Greens place years ago. You remember the movie the "God Father" right? Well his name was not Corlione! You care to tell me his name Mr. History Buff.

I guess your not an ex-cop, not a lawyer, your spelling tells me no way. A kid fresh out of college, who likes history maybe. Good for you! I gotta go to bed now, need my sleep as I don't use Viagra sonny boy.....I take my medication from Dr. Pearl. LoL

Sounds like BD was around before "witness protection"

Witness protection! Now who are talking about being protected? I sure as hell didn't and neither did the crew as far as I knew.

AS, I think you hit the nail on the head when you called troll...

Blue Dog, if you are who you say you are, cool,

makes no difference to me, but, if you are not, what the heck are you doing here?

why don't you learn arabic and go after the true threats? I fear that resources are being wasted by looking for domestic terrorist, when in fact, the our gov is doing the terrorizing.

I realize you are not able to pick your assignments, but your barking up the wrong tree here.

Maybe I need to keep my mouth shut, but, I do not know that many 72 year olds that "tell tales out of school" on internet chat forums...

Something about your writing style, and grammatical errors, make your presentation seem contrived.

Don't feed the trolls......

I'm out.