Harry Chapin had a better idea:

"We learnrd about love in the back of the Dodge, the lesson hadn't got that far".

In the interest of full disclosure, long ago I drove a 49' Dodge and nobody was hiding in a closet, just an unused farm lane.

Amazing how much more flexible some parts are and how much harder others get at age 16 vs 70......

legality aside, lyrical judgement aside, in my book if I'd just gotten a piece of tail and a punch to the gut and some time standing around naked was the cost, I'd consider myself lucky and say bye with a smile. It's a great story to tell your friends but I wouldn't press charges over it.

Red

But did you notice the judge switched songs? He went from Leroy Brown to Roller Derby Queen:

Gonna tell you a story that you won't believe
But I fell in love last Friday evenin'
With a girl I saw on a bar room T.V. screen

Well I was just gettin' ready to get my hat
When she caught my eye and I put it back
And I ordered myself a couple o' more suhots and beers

The night that I fell in love with a Roller Derby Queen
Round and round, oh round and round
The meanest hunk o' woman
That anybody ever seen
Down in the arena

She was five foot six and two fifteen
A bleached-blonde mama
With a streak of mean
She knew how to knuckle
And she knew how to scuffle and fight

And the roller derby program said
That she was built like a 'fridgerator with a head
Her fans call her "Tuffy"
But all her buddies called her "Spike"

You know that I fell in love with a Roller Derby Queen
Round and round, oh round and round
The meanest hunk o' woman
That anybody ever seen
Down in the arena

Round and round, go round and round
Round and round, go round and round
Round and round

Well I could not help it
But to fall in love
With this heavy-duty woman
I been speakin' of
Things looked kind of bad
Until the day she skated into my life

Well she might be nasty
She might be fat
But I never met a person
Who would tell her that
She's my big blonde bomber
My heavy handed Hackensack mama



I just hope momma didn't pick up on that, or she might whup some judge butt.
I love the line about being built like a fridgerator with a head.
My house, my rules.

This is funny. In the state of SC she was legal right up to the time she put him in hand cuffs. She could however held him at gun point until the police arrived. At which time he could have been charged with tresspass released and had to appear in court. AC shows how the LEOs use there on intrupitation of the law to do as they please. The truth be known he is gun friendly only to a point which probaly gives the upper hand to LEOs. I can understand this if he was in fact a LEO for many years. It still does not make it right. As for the fatherly duties in this matter having colected that T shirt. I realized it was not rape. I did confront the youyng man with his parents present. I thank god that it was a false flag which can happens when it is your first time. This causes a lot of confessions. some of the time this sight is more entertaining than a good movie.

The Judge was WRONG.

The Mother/corrections officer should not only NOT be a sworn officer but her continued ownership or possession of weapons should seriously called into question.

I can't find Jim Croce's lyrics anywhere is prior legal rulings, so the young man should hire another lawyer, appeal the decision
and Sue his previous lawyer for incompetence.

Law enforcement offices are supposed to know better, yet are consistently given the "Benefit of doubt" in many circumstances where because they are supposed to know better, actually Obligated to know better, they should receive LESS benefit of doubt.

It is obvious that this officer was worrying about her manicure during the class on "use of force".

It seems a lot of law enforcement officers learn their "police procedure" from watching
broadcast television police shows.

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Originally posted by Mikelravy:
What she did may meet somebody's definition of wrongdoing, but if one juror at the trial has a daughter I can't see a conviction happening. At least not in any jurisdiction I'm ever likely to be living in.

I could understand this stance if the girl were 15 or 16. Even more so if the boyfriend was several years older than the daughter. But it is beyond all reason to think that it is OK for someone to point a gun at a 19yo because you are upset that he was having sex with your 19yo daughter.

If anyone was "disrespecting" the mom/mom's house it was the daughter. Maybe mom should have pointed the gun at her daughter???

I have a daughter and I am not looking forward to the time she starts dating, but I hope that by the time she is 19 I have instilled in her values that cause her to make decisions that I agree with. Failing that, I hope I will be reasonable enough to to accept her decisions.

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I have a daughter and I am not looking forward to the time she starts dating, but I hope that by the time she is 19 I have instilled in her values that cause her to make decisions that I agree with. Failing that, I hope I will be reasonable enough to to accept her decisions.

I did not have a daughter, But I do have a granddaughter. She is 23 now. Actually she has a twin brother I am close with but more so her.

When my wife and I went to see her off for her senior prom (her dad is a fireman), the young man, her date, came to pick her up with the tux and all, brought her flowers, had a sheepish grin (or I thought, WOLFISH) about him.

Well as I said, her dad was on duty so I was playing dad, so to speak, When we all went to take pictures out side of the house, we had a moment together as one bit of final alterations needed to be done to the her evening gown ??? you know how woman are. Anyway, her date got to make small talk and he mentioned to me that the after prom parties were where it was happening. I gave it about a second of thought and then gave this to him: " She is my first born granddaughter, I have helped raise her and her brother. And since you mentioned the after prom parties I will tell you this and listen real close. I love her more than life itself. If you do go to the after prom parties just remember this, if you have any intentions on touching her anywhere between her chin and ankles, I ain't afraid to go back to prison".

The next afternoon the granddaughter called the wife to thank us and did mention that her date was a perfect gentleman.

I had heard that line, myself, some forty odd years ago and have wondered ever since if Mary's dad had been in prison before....... But I too, was a perfect gentleman.

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Originally posted by swifter 220:
I gave it about a second of thought and then gave this to him: " She is my first born granddaughter, I have helped raise her and her brother. And since you mentioned the after prom parties I will tell you this and listen real close. I love her more than life itself. If you do go to the after prom parties just remember this, if you have any intentions on touching her anywhere between her chin and ankles, I ain't afraid to go back to prison".

I think fathers/grandfathers have been giving that speech since the beginning of time.

I don't know if you were giving me advice, but I think I will follow your lead when the time comes.

Two things to keep in mind: your threat was a very general one, although both you and the young man were very clear on the meaning. And just as importantly your granddaughter was a minor(or so I would think).

There is a world of difference between that and pointing a loaded gun in the face of a young man because he shared an intimate moment with a young woman who happens to be your daughter.

I remember a comedy routine from long ago...

I don't remember if it was George Carlin or Steve Martin, but it was about the false illusions that dad's everywhere have about their daughters.

Something to the effect that around midnight that pretty prom dress would be up around her ears.... Yes, dad, your "little princess"

The first three young woman who I had sex with were the ones that brought up the subject and made their desires known to me... frankly if a woman is alone with you and decides that SHE wants sex from you can you honestly claim you would turn her down?

I will freely admit that I don't have the strength of character to practice self-denial on that level.

The most I've personally managed is "Are you sure?"

Frankly I think young men get too much blame in these situations.

There is no arguement that this off duty corrections officer (that makes her a civilian at the time, but with a lot more experience than most) overstepped her limits. But I have overstepped the boundaries as a parent too, and I was not arrested or charged. Sometimes laws don't take into account the parental reaction that is instinctual and luckily sometimes the agents of the law do.
If a cop treated someone on the street like that then yes he would be guilty of a crime. If he responded to the same situation in his own home - not so much. It may be illegal and it could be a crime but it was an instinctual reaction to a perceived threat and if a parent didn't respond like that I would question their ability to parent.
The difference here is that I don't believe the law applied to this instinctual behavior. The law applies to criminal behavior and she was behving like a mother - not a criminal.

I don't think that I would have handled it the way she did, but I DO notice that the young man in question knew that he wasn't supposed to be there "dressed" like that - that's why he was hiding in the closet.

Also, if I read correctly the incomplete report of what the jusge said, what he was doing was dismissing a claim that the mother was doing what she was doing as a law officer, rather than as a private citizen who simply used the closest gun at hand.

Let's face it, what is a more reasonable expectation, that the guy in the closet is an intruder, or an "invited guest"? The initial punch might be justified as the perpetrator was startled, but the minute it becomes clear and confirmed by the young lady that the man in the closet is or was welcomed, handcuffing him and holding a gun on him stops being reasonable and starts being assault and false imprisonment. LE blew this one big time....though I am not surprised.

There was a study done once that found the 'politest times' ever in the US were the 20's. Seems almost everyone carried a pocket pistol in those times and because of that...everyone had a bit more respect.

In Jack Co. Texas (neighbors to Young Co. CHC) I have known in not to far distant past of incidents like this going to the next level and the Grand Jury failing to indict.

Personally...I feel the world was a better place when young men had a healthy amount of fear of young women's parents.

I would act just like Cappy. For all y'all trying to modernize the world...well...y'all just have at it. I wish Gunsmoke still came on prime time myself.

Great work mom, now the fact that your daughter puts out and you're crazy is a matter of public record.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
There was a study done once that found the 'politest times' ever in the US were the 20's. Seems almost everyone carried a pocket pistol in those times and because of that...everyone had a bit more respect.

In Jack Co. Texas (neighbors to Young Co. CHC) I have known in not to far distant past of incidents like this going to the next level and the Grand Jury failing to indict.

Personally...I feel the world was a better place when young men had a healthy amount of fear of young women's parents.

Lane, sometimes you Texans are a bit batty. If it was the 20's and the mom pulled a gun on the young man there is a good chance the young man would have taken out his pocket pistol and capped her(remember everyone had a pocket pistol, right?)

Her daughter was 19 years old. That is 1 full year past the age on consent. I don't know who is a bigger fool, mom or the judge.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Jim Croce, a talent that was taken from us way too soon.

For the rest of you puritan assed phuckers, when did you get your first piece of ass, Now Shut The Hell Up!!!!

Young people were doing what young people do and I bet the mother in this case had done the same damn thing. we know she did at least one time or she would not be a MOTHER!!!!!!!!

Sometime CHC just has a way with words.

quote:

Originally posted by capoward:

quote:

Like it or not, the girl in this instance is an adult. That means SHE gets to make the decisions about sex in her life. You don't, and her mother doesn't.

If she was your daughter you could always throw her out of the house and then have NO influence over how she lives her life because you wouldn't be there to counsel her when it is appropriate.

It already appears the parent is having zero influence upon what the daughter decides to do in her parents home. Geez AC you didn’t buy into Dr. Benjamin Spock’s teachings on how to raise your children did you?

While I have zero doubt that many if not most of my 6 children – 3 of each male and female – had sex before marriage but absolutely none of them would have thought about disrespecting my wife or I by having, or attempting to, sex within our home before marriage.

And for the second part of your question/statement; All of our children have understood before they reached the age of legal adulthood that they were required to live within the rules of our home and should they desire to flex their adulthood beliefs that they were fully free to do so in a residence of their own choice at their own expense. Same holds true today… And yes we’ve had all of them move back in to our home at some point after they first moved out and only one failed to abide by our house rules. And yes I did inform that son that had 3-days to find another place to live and that during that 3-day period he was one wrong step away from moving immediately.

Our children never feared us as children but often complained about our house rules… But their respect us as parents and for our house rules has only grown as they’re raising their own children.

If all you say above is fact in your household, then your beef would have been with your child if this were your daughter. This boy may or may NOT have known the house rules when he was invited in by the woman. Regardless, the mother was stupid, unbelieveably irresponsible and should have her ass in a sling for pulling a weapon under the circumstances as they are decribed in the article. Imagine where she'd be today, both legally and emotionally if there had been an accidental discharge?

Accidental discharge? Are you referring to the gun or the young man?

Technically that would be a premature discharge.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
There was a study done once that found the 'politest times' ever in the US were the 20's. Seems almost everyone carried a pocket pistol in those times and because of that...everyone had a bit more respect.

In Jack Co. Texas (neighbors to Young Co. CHC) I have known in not to far distant past of incidents like this going to the next level and the Grand Jury failing to indict.

Personally...I feel the world was a better place when young men had a healthy amount of fear of young women's parents.

Lane, sometimes you Texans are a bit batty.

No...we just still have dignity, respect, and common sense.

If it was the 20's and the mom pulled a gun on the young man there is a good chance the young man would have taken out his pocket pistol and capped her(remember everyone had a pocket pistol, right?)

And being that he was in her house...in the 20's...he might have gotten hung for that too.

Her daughter was 19 years old. That is 1 full year past the age on consent. I don't know who is a bigger fool, mom or the judge.

I still say good on you mom!!!

I'll just say this: my house, my rules. When you cross the property line, that's when your rights STOP and mine start. GW

Are they posted so visitors might know in advance what not to do?

For that matter, why didn't mom cuff and point her pistol at her daughter? She was the principal perpetrator of the whole event.

Mine aren't posted...but my reputation preceeds me.

I suppose that's the best way to handle it. Truth is my daughter's highschool friends (boys, anyway) did pretty much anything they could to avoid coming to my house. The animal heads on the walls got it nicknamed the "Hall of Death". It was pretty good propaganda. But I still think the woman was reckless pointing a gun just to make a point with some dipshit just-out-of-highscjhool kid.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
I suppose that's the best way to handle it. Truth is my daughter's highschool friends (boys, anyway) did pretty much anything they could to avoid coming to my house. The animal heads on the walls got it nicknamed the "Hall of Death". It was pretty good propaganda. But I still think the woman was reckless pointing a gun just to make a point with some dipshit just-out-of-highscjhool kid.

How can it possibly be reckless? I assure you if I unexpectedly catch a naked person in my house I am damn sure gonne hold a gun on them till I figure out whats what-he might have been a rapist for all she knew.

SSR

You need to read the story a little closer. This was a pissed off mom with a badge and a gun being mean to make a point. Not some scared homeowner wandering through a house looking for an intruder.

quote:

Originally posted by mdvjrp93:
This is funny. In the state of SC she was legal right up to the time she put him in hand cuffs. She could however held him at gun point until the police arrived. At which time he could have been charged with tresspass released and had to appear in court. AC shows how the LEOs use there on intrupitation of the law to do as they please. The truth be known he is gun friendly only to a point which probaly gives the upper hand to LEOs. I can understand this if he was in fact a LEO for many years. It still does not make it right. As for the fatherly duties in this matter having colected that T shirt. I realized it was not rape. I did confront the youyng man with his parents present. I thank god that it was a false flag which can happens when it is your first time. This causes a lot of confessions. some of the time this sight is more entertaining than a good movie.

He was invited in by an adult resident. He's in the clear.

quote:

Originally posted by Goatwhiskers:
I'll just say this: my house, my rules. When you cross the property line, that's when your rights STOP and mine start. GW

This isn't true, and the states ability to fuck you from behind exceeds your delusions of grandeur.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
You need to read the story a little closer. This was a pissed off mom with a badge and a gun being mean to make a point. Not some scared homeowner wandering through a house looking for an intruder.

I just re-read the story as posted--it fits my view of events-----

I stand by defending my home

There is more macho bullshit posted here on this topic than you'd ever hear at any biker titty-bar in the country.

Those of you "legal experts" who believe the law protects you no matter what you do to invited visitors in your home will likely learn better when you've had to spend the money Zimmerman has...even if you get acquitted. And if you DON'T get acquitted....?

Either way your life will never be the same afterward....say so long to peace and quiet and privacy.

There is a reason Sean & I live in TX.