In CA it's up to the CLEO issuing the permit if they desire to put the candidate through a Psych exam. If they do, they must see the same Dr. that the department sends its officers to. In my county, the Sheriff does require this, so i'm just curious... What should I expect?

I am not sure of how much this will help you but here goes. I had to have a psych evaluation ran every 6 months at my job, as well as being interviewed by aforementioned psychiatrists after any deployment/ major use of force. I do not remember California's standards, but most states use the MMPI (aka Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory) which consists of approximately 500 questions that you answer Yes/No or True/False to. The questions are simple ones regarding various feelings that you have or could have in a given scenario. It is pretty straight forward. It is a no brainer, no need to over-think it and there is not a way to study for it, as this would defeat the tests purpose. The test is very thorough in the area of consistency of answers (you will see the same question more than once)

Usually this and a general conversation with the Psychiatrist is all that is required for a psychological evaluation as issued by most state agencies. There are other testing methods, which some feel are more accurate, however I believe the MMPI is the most common. Somebody please feel free to jump in, if I am wrong. Being that I have not had experience with CA in a while, they may or may not use other means of testing. Hope this helps to some degree. Best wishes.

This is one item I wish more states would adopt. I know people that I think would fail that are carrying concealed weapons. One in particular was self committed for depression and suicide attempts. She is still on heavy medications today, but since it was self committed, there is nothing that can be done. Hope she never forgets her meds.

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Posted 21 September 2011 19:19 Hide Post
This is one item I wish more states would adopt

I hope your kidding.

Maybe they should require the bad guys to undergo a psych exam before allowing them to become bad guys?
C.G.B.

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Posted 21 September 2011 19:19 Hide Post
This is one item I wish more states would adopt

I hope your kidding.

Not so fast.

From speaking with people about these issues, it appears to me that a lot of people are fired up about their ability to protect theirselves and their family, but not adequately prepared for what might go wrong.

Very few seem psychologically ready to accept that if they get into a gun battle with a bad guy they theirself could end up being shot and killed, and haven't even considered how that would affect their family.

I myself think that the proper personality for conceal and carry is to be adequately prepared physically to use a weapon, but scared to death to have to use one.

If cops pass it , it can't be much.

Nothing like having a bureaucrat decide who is crazy.

I appreciate all the input. I am not a huge fan of the Psych exam requirement but mainly because of the cost. I understand why a sheriff who is putting himself on the line to issue a permit to nearly anyone who applies would want to cover his 6 in a state that is highly anti-gun as a whole. As someone else posted, many people want to protect themselves but will not take the time to become competant. As a principle I am 100% against gun control of anykind. It is simply a way for one group to control another. However, as a full time gunsmith and part time firearms trainer, I am often times boggled by what i see in my store. There are some people that i am afraid to see driving a car let alone carry a gun. I am very pleased we finally have sheriff who will honor the citizen's right to defend themselves. I'm not offended he wants the people who do to be competant.

The plain truth of it is, all the regulations are BS. The open-carry, and permitless carry states show that.

PA's process, at least at one time, consisted of filling out a postcard-sized form. If you passed the sheriff's background check, you got your permit - and they don't have any issues.

Society survives because 98% of the populace, or so, wants it to survive - No other reason.

A maximum security prison, is beyond the ability of society to control, because no one inside of it, has a desire for society to function properly.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
The plain truth of it is, all the regulations are BS. The open-carry, and permitless carry states show that.

PA's process, at least at one time, consisted of filling out a postcard-sized form. If you passed the sheriff's background check, you got your permit - and they don't have any issues.

Society survives because 98% of the populace, or so, wants it to survive - No other reason.

A maximum security prison, is beyond the ability of society to control, because no one inside of it, has a desire for society to function properly.

Very true. I would certainly prefer a streamlined and far more simple system. I just know that in Soviet Occupied California, I am lucky to even have a sheriff who considers issuing them let alone one who actually does.

Well I see you got the usual (expected) responses. If you check the news, a few days back you will see that a Florida woman shot her husband 4 times with a 357 Mag. She was found in Georgia driving around in a "dazed state". She had been diagnosed BiPolar and was on medication, however she decided not to take her meds. She had a Florida CCW. Unfortunately you do not see the news even asking whether these wonderful folks have a CCW. As far as I am concerned she was a walking time bomb, but I guess that's OK.
She routinely carried BTW.
Peter.

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Very few seem psychologically ready to accept that if they get into a gun battle with a bad guy they theirself could end up being shot and killed, and haven't even considered how that would affect their family.

The good guys have a God given right to defend themselves and family with the best tools on the market. If the good guy loses the firefight, at least they tried, and did not die on their knees. Dieing while protecting your loved ones isn't a bad way to go, IMHO.

I'd be okay with this testing, as long as every elected official is required to take and pass it as a requirement to run for public office. Starting with the White House...

Rich

A couple years ago a nephew spent six years in the USMC. Honorably discharged, he came home and was having fun finding any type of job. He ended up applying for a job pumping out septic tanks; he was that desperate. The owner of this company required all potential employees to take that 500 question test. Somehow he managed to "flunk" it.

He had passed the same test six months earlier and was waiting for a class to start with the Idaho State Police, but needed an income with a wife and two small children.

That told me what the test was worth in the real world.

Rich

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Well I see you got the usual (expected) responses. SNIP She had a Florida CCW. Unfortunately you do not see the news even asking whether these wonderful folks have a CCW. As far as I am concerned she was a walking time bomb, but I guess that's OK.
She routinely carried BTW.
Peter.

She could have stabbed him, poisoned him w. radiator fluid in his sweet tea, ran over him w. her car, bludgeoned him w. a bat in his sleep, a frying pan, a hammer, a rock, stabbed a pen through the eye...

Objects aren't inherently dangerous*, PEOPLE are dangerous, or not dangerous.

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Objects aren't inherently dangerous*, PEOPLE are dangerous, or not dangerous.

Best reasoning I've seen yet for the test!

Seriously, do I think everyone needs it, probably not. Do I think there ought to be more scrutiny for people that have beed diagnosed with a serious mental disease that can carry concealed just because they have not been involuntarily committed...ABSOLUTELY!

First, criminals do not have to take a test before they go armed and comit crimes.

Second there is nothing in the Second Ammendent about any tests, for the right to bear Arms.

Third, the Psyco's giving the test, would no doubt mostly be anti gun... If you are denied by an anto gun Psyco, how much Money and how much time do you thing it would tke to get the decision reversed???

Fourth, ANY one that thinks a Psyco test should be given for a CHL should be required to take MY TEST...

The truth is, there have been thousands, and thousands of CHL permints issued nation wide.

There have been very few problems...

In fact, elected officials, have done a whole lot more crazy/illegal stuff, than citizen CHL holders.

I would be very leery of any testing standard that didn't require a diagnosis of an illness per the DSM-IV to disqualify someone.

The MMPI's results are questionable, at best. Psychiatry is voodoo science, using the scientific method to arrive at subjective conclusions. I would suggest you first research the MMPI prior to subjecting yourself to any analysis upon which it is based.

The DSM is equally questionable.

Be very careful about voluntarily allowing some head shrinker to define your rights under the US Constitution's Second Amendment.

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If cops pass it , it can't be much.

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!! At least here in SW Louisiana!

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Posted 21 September 2011 19:19 Hide Post
This is one item I wish more states would adopt

I hope your kidding.

+1!!! I am also a supporter of the permit-less open carry. There is absolutely NOTHING to prevent the bad guys from obtaining guns. If they couldn't get guns crime would be ALMOST nonexistent. Why should the rest of us be restricted so that it's easier for the bad guys to make us VICTIMS? There are 3 factors that contribute to a person becoming violent. I can't remember the actual term for it but they are genetics, upbringing/teaching, and environment. We all possess the genetics to be violent. The only variables are upbringing/teaching and environment. The military has proven that almost anyone can be taught to kill. Which leaves environment. And given the right environment, I believe that anyone is capable of anything. It remains up to the individual to make the decision to become violent or not. I think the only time testing of this kind would be necessary is if there is a history of mental problems and any contributing factors would need to be considered on a case by case basis. Maybe there were circumstances in that person's life at the time that required them to seek help. I'm not ashamed to say I had some problems when I returned from Afghanistan in '07 and I needed help sorting them out. Does that make me incompetent to carry a firearm to defend myself or my family? If some politicians had there way, yes. Once my demons were dealt with I was good to go. I still have my bad days from time to time but I recognize them for what they are and deal with them appropriately. For some, a nasty divorce, death of a family member, or (insert other personal tragedy here) sends them into a depression that they need help with but it doesn't necessarily make them incompetent. Quite the contrary, I think it makes the a more responsible person. They just need help processing what happened so they can move on. But a blanket psyche test is just one step closer to taking all our guns away. They can "interpret" the test to get any result they want. I'm very happy that I live in a state that is supportive and a county with a sheriff that is a loud and proud advocate of concealed carry. Screw CA and all others like them. It's a beautiful state with many good people but the people running it are as worthwile as tits on a bull! I'll keep my happy ass in SC, FL, or TX where they appreciate guns.

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Posted 21 September 2011 19:19 Hide Post
This is one item I wish more states would adopt

I hope your kidding.

+1

Too Bloody Subjective.
Never allow the exception to become the rule.