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Originally posted by p dog shooter:


I would not go to the door with firearm in hand and suddenly open it.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
I live in fairly well off gated community. However, the fact that you have gates does not guarantee you that it will protect you from outside people getting into the community for nefarious purposes, unless you have a 24 hour guard gate. Even then people will jump fences and find other ways to get in. We've experienced some of that as well. I have a ring camera at the front door, and two other rings installed in strategic locations around the outside of the house, including the driveway where I can see and hear anyone passing by or coming into my driveway. If someone comes to the door at any time, day or night, I know it immediately and can see who it is and talk with them without answering the door at all. I was in Hawaii in February on a family vacation and while there two individuals came to my front door in Las Vegas. I was immediately notified, saw them and talked with them, telling them that I was upstairs and couldn't answer the door. I conducted the business at hand thousands of miles away. Works for me. For some others, a sophisticated camera system might be the key. My two neighbors across the street have spent thousands of dollars on those systems and they actually benefit me as well regarding their extended reach. But, I digress. I have been known to answer the door with my 45 behind my back. But, that was before my ring camera system.

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I am a big fan of electronic front door locks and doorbell cameras.

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My son lives in a high dollar gated community in Austin also. He took several of my handguns to clean without my permission + he was burglarized the same night + they were all lost. Nothing else, just the pistols. I know damn well it was an inside job.

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Originally posted by NormanConquest:
I agree Opus. I also have to add the comments of Jeff Copper who we can all admit as being about American as they come + in defense of LEO; concerning the "tactics" of the current (at the time, maybe still now) SWAT forces in breaking in in ski masks. He said + I agree that when someone breaks into your house, dressed in black with a ski mask on, there is REALLY only one response.

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Originally posted by NormanConquest:
I don't think there is a doubt in anyone's mind that this an extremely stressful situation on the LEO side. From what I have read about the 'wrong house raids' (we never hear about the ones that go right) it strikes me as bad intelligence in the reporting of the correct address. That should be addressed by the P.D.

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posted document.write('<nobr>'+ myTimeZone('Sun, 02 Aug 2020 03:56:40 GMT-0700', '02 August 2020 15:56')+'</nobr>');02 August 2020 15:5602 August 2020 15:56Hide PostWhen I first started as a LEO in the 70's one had to pull hens teeth to get a no knock warrant.As the "war on drugs" increased the big city cops started using no knock warrants.You know we have to save the drugs.That trend infected the whole country.We have had a break down of our system First off the cops shouldn't be asking for them unless absolutely needed.The DA's shouldn't be signing off on them unless absolutely needed.The judges should not be signing off on them unless absolutely needed.But what we have now is rubber stamping them up the chain. The results of such actions have not been good for our rights..

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Well said. Your door splinters on a forced entry in the night, you grab a gun, the outcome won't be good.

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We've had criminals dress up like cops, Mormon missionaries, etc. You break my door down in the middle of the night you're dead.

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If it's the swat team, your dead too.

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Man, 40, is shot dead by Arizona cop at point blank range after he answered the door with a gun in his hand after a neighbor made noise complaint, but his girlfriend said they were playing video games
Arizona man Ryan Whitaker, 40, was fatally shot by a Phoenix police officer responding to a noise complaint at his home on May 21 around 10pm
Whitaker answered the door with a 9mm gun in his hand but as he tried to put it down he was shot at least twice in the back and died
His girlfriend said they were making salsa and playing video games at the time
Cops were responding to noise complaint about potential domestic violence
She said he answered the door with a gun because people knocked on his door in the middle of the night on two occasions and it made them concerned
Whitaker's family says the officers were quick to use force even though he was being submissive after realizing cops were at the door

By MARLENE LENTHANG PUBLISHED: 12:37 EDT, 10 August 2020 | UPDATED: 13:18 EDT, 10 August 2020


Harrowing police body camera footage shows how a noise complaint in Arizona turned into a fatal police shooting where a man playing video games was shot in the back seconds after opening his front door.

On May 21 around 10pm Phoenix police knocked on the door of Ryan Whitaker, 40, following a complaint about noise from an upstairs neighbor.

Whitaker answered the door with a 9mmgun in hand because he heard a stranger knock on his apartment door in the middle of the night earlier that month, according to AZCentral.

He had been playing video games with his girlfriend Brandee Nees when he answered the door and was killed in less than a minute.

When he opened the door he was confronted by two Phoenix police officers and they were surprised by the sight of his firearm.

Just three seconds later Phoenix Officer Jeff Cooke shot Whitaker in the back at least two times at point-blank range, killing him.

The horrific police shooting was just one of several in the police department this year that has reawakened criticism of the force’s use of deadly force.

Following public outrage over Whitaker’s death the police department released 30-minute bodycam worn by Officer John Ferragamo in July who was on the scene with Cooke.

In the bodycam footage the officers are seen mocking the caller for not giving enough helpful information and insisting officers come quickly.

When they get to Whitaker’s door and knock, Whitaker opens it with his gun visible in his hands then he quickly takes a couple steps out of the apartment as Ferragamo flashes a light in his face.

Ferragamo repeatedly yells, 'Hands' after seeing the gun.

Whitaker then gets on his knees and raises his left hand and puts the gun behind his back, then Cooke fires into Whitaker’s back.

Whitaker’s family says he put the gun down on the ground and was still shot.

After shots fired Whitaker’s girlfriend walks out shouting, 'Why did you guys shoot him?'

'He just pulled a gun on us, ma’am,' Cooke replies.

'Because it's dark and someone just knocked on the door,' she yells back.

Nees asks the officers why they’re there and they say they received a call about a fight between them.

Nees says that Whitaker heard a knock on his door in the middle of the night a few days earlier but when he looked through the door’s peephole, whoever knocked was gone.

She said that on another occasion a woman who used to live in the complex knocked on his door asking for help because she got into a fight with her partner.

She said they were playing Crash Bandicoot on PlayStation and making salsa when the cops knocked.

'Literally we were making salsa and playing Crash Bandicoot, so there may have been some screaming,' she said. 'It wasn’t domestic violence or anything.'

Nees tells the cops that Whitaker had gone to his daughter’s high school graduation earlier that day.

In the police report, Cooke claimed he shot Whitaker because he feared for his life.

Ferragamo told another cop at the scene he would’ve done the same thing.

In the wake of George Floyd’s death at the hands of Minneapolis Police Officers, law enforcement forces across the country are facing criticism for use of excessive force.

Whitaker’s shooting is one of 11 Phoenix police shootings in 2020, five of which were fatal.

Now it’s up the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office to determine whether they’ll file criminal charges against Cooke.

A petition named Justice for Ryan demanding answers into why police acted so quickly with force as racked up over 21,000 signatures.