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I've got an answer for you. Don't let your son attempt to rob an old man and two young girls......
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Gatogordo, Your answer to her question is entirely too simplistic. It's not enough to expect people to accept responsibility for their actions any more. People want to blame their inadequate parenting skills on someone else! No, Ms. Scott is looking for someone to sue for millions of dollars because she couldn't teach her son right from wrong... | |||
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Also, considering he was 16 and in 9th grade, he either wasn't the brightest bulb in the box, or mom let him get away with anything. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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Answer to her questions is that she was the problem. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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Dear Ms. Scott, I'm not sure what answer you'd like. Your son attempted to commit a crime. He didn't meet a soft target. Hopfully his younger firend learned a lesson and will turn his life around. If you have other children teach them right from wrong before it is too late. A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work. | |||
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What is a "warrant request"?
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HEY...YO....PRISCILLA...!!!! Yeah YOU...Want "Answers"...??? Got a Mirror...????????? | |||
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It is easy to "pile on", but the fact remains that you can do everything as best you can and your child still takes a wrong turn. It seems to me that it is a lot tougher to raise a kid these days than it was 30-40 years ago, but, you guys are obviously experts! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Typical liberal response... I have one question for you: How/Why is it any more difficult to stay in touch with your children now and teach them the life lessons necessary for them to be contributing members of society than it was "30-40 years ago"? | |||
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I raise a couple in last 25 years both of them came out very well. Surporting them selfs no drug or other problems good Christians . Multi gun owners, great shots, CCW lic holders great hunters. Just have to find my daughter, a good husband and have lots of grand kids. Son allready married a fine christian young lady hopeful grandkids in a year or two. | |||
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Can't wait for the reason WHY it is "a lot tougher to raise a kid these days"....Doubless, Thank You for asking the question. IMHO: The fact that Priscilla is even ASKING OTHERS for "answers" is the clearest indication we need that SHE is the problem, hence my "mirror response". It's not piling on to point out the obvious. | |||
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Interesting that no one commented on the first part of my statement! Cmon experts, let's hear it! Now on the second part, I am not going to comment, because you guys already know the societal factors that have changed in that time period. I suspect that your hate filled hearts will not allow you to see that, however. Not a reason or an excuse, but a contributing factor. Sorry to waste your time, but again, time spent criticising and belittling others is ALWAYS well spent, right? Glad your kids turned out well, p dog! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Thank You very much. Is there a period in time when "Societal factors" were NOT changing...?? | |||
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It took a lot of time and effort, Hardly ever had a baby sitter no day care, No TV in the house. Church every sunday private christian school. Spent a lot of time reading to them taking them hunting and fishing. They went on their first week long back backing trip at the ages of 8 and 10 into the BOB Marshall Wilderness. IMHO one of the best words for raising children is NO and mean it. To make it less exspensive is Goodwill. | |||
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OK, time to put on my Doctor of Psychology hat. Working within the system, as in Dept of Social Services, I heard this complaint/question from parents all the time. The answer was quite obvious most of the time and could be placed directly on the parent(s). I have enough horror stories on the lack of parenting skills and the less-than-adequate maturity of same. Oh, the parents who tried so hard. When investigated, it seems there were events in the past that led directly to the behavior. These events either were not known to the parents or were "family secrets" not to be revealed. I will acknowledge that there have been cases where a child has gone off the road with no known cause, but this is the rarity. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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prof242 I seen it on the LEO end many times one could almost predict what kids would be getting into trouble. A lot of times when kids from so called good familys started to get into trouble it started with divorce. Or when the parents blame everybody besides the child or themselfs. As soon as the parents would open their mouths and and say its not Johnny fault you knew what the trouble was. | |||
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I work with a lot of todays 20 somethings. The only thing that has changed in 30 years is liberal parenting not raising a child with responsability. A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work. | |||
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Like Sam and others said; Parents have to teach their children responsibility for their actions, in particular, that bad actions have bad consequences. Its not always easy as the word 'No' with some reinforcement is often necessary. Sometimes we want to be our kid's friend instead of a parent. And divorce situations can often intesify that problem. My LEO career has put me in the position several dozens (hundred?) of times where I've had to speak with a parent about the actions of their child. Typically the kid was between 9 and 16. I could tell within two minutes if we were wasting one-another's time. I don't expect anybody to like having a cop standing at their front door telling them something bad about their kid's behavior. If I got asked pointed questions that was fine. If I heard something like ' Officer, I will take care of this and you will never see my kid do this again', I knew there was hope for the kid. But if I started hearing excuses and denials like 'my kid wouldn't do that', 'why are you picking on my _____ (Billy, Suzie, Tiffany, Tyrone, etc)!', or 'Those other kids did it!', then I knew we were wasting one another's time and that there was a jail visiting room in their future. | |||
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But I'm sure NBC, CBS and the mainstream media would have headlined this as in an anti-gun, racist story -- except, perhaps Mr. Robinson is black; perhaps a black man with a gun prevented a crime; perhaps Little Johnny was a holy terror and deserved everything he got. I suspect the State of Michigan will save a lot of money on his future incarceration, which is now unneccessary. So to mom, I'd say your boy screwed up (can't necessarily blame her -- likely, but not necessarily). He tried to assault a man with a gun. He died. Explanation. And that has nothing to do with race. | |||
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So when will the press start bombarding us with pictures when he was 10-12 years old? I noted the internet press started posting little trevon child pictures again today. Don't limit your challenges . . . Challenge your limits | |||
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Here's my answer to the mother: Raise a thug, be prepared to pay for an early funeral! As far as I'm concerned, she already has the obvious answer to any question she can voice. The kid is 16 and in the 9th grade. That means he failed at least 2 grades. And then he tries to rob someone. Let's face it, the fact that he was sent to the morgue saved the taxpayers a huge bundle from supporting this punk for the rest of his life. Or, maybe the LIBs like Peter actually think this punk would turn his life around and be a productive member of society. This was a punk that was prison bound! Fuck him, society is better off without his worthless ass roaming the streets like a predator! Give the old man a medal for hitting his target. | |||
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The real issue here, and the reason why a warrant may be issued, is Michigan's carry law. Specifically what that law provides for in this exact type of situation, and therefore whether the teacher was justified in using deadly force. I think its a bit premature to make some of the comments that have been made about the young man who lost his life, as well as comments about his mother. If, and its a big if, the young man had no weapon at all, (a struggle ensued) I am not so sure that the teacher would be justified in using deadly force. Generally speaking one is allowed to use the same type of force being used against the person, and in many states a person must retreat from the situation if possible before using deadly force. The young man who was killed should not have been out there robbing anyone. That is for sure. But I am not so sure, without more FACTS, that he should have been killed. | |||
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2 teenage boys are attacking and robbing a 70 yr old man escorting 2 young girls to his car and you have doubts? Damn, I wonder about how mentally weak we've become. As they say in Texas, some people just need killing. You need to re-think your priorities. I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Peter in another similar thread. You need to decide what would make you shoot and if that scenario develops, then you need to be shooting, not thinking about the legalities of it. Those should already have been thought out. Otherwise, it is quite possible that someone will kill you with your own gun. Things happen fast when you're under attack, and time to pause and think it out is often not available. For me, if I'm under actual physical attack, threatened with a weapon, someone is in my house, ANYONE even moderately threatening my family, are all open season. In Texas, basically the same reasons can be used to employ deadly force on someone doing the same thing to another person. Not that I recommend displaying a gun and not planning on using it, but often the introduction of a gun into the situation will defuse it, if not, then don't talk, shoot. Now, given the option, I would infinitely prefer not to shoot anyone. I had a couple of occasions over the years where I let a thief run off rather than kill him but I wasn't threatened and he was going away. I'm not going to kill someone over a television, BUT, if I'm in fear of bodily harm, even IF it might not be fatal, or I THINK the perp might possibly do something to a family member, he's a shot duck, right then, right there and I'll let the legal chips fall where they may. In addition, maybe you should do a little research before you declare it "premature". See following article, bold emphasis mine. BTW I guess the mother got her answer, her son "was like that",(using a gun in a robbery).
Sounds like people in Detroit are tired of being sheep and the wolves need to go. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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1. Given the second article - a continuation of the facts - the situation is entirely different that with just the first set of facts. But I would venture that those who made the comments I was talking about didn't know the entire set of facts either, and thus they were premature in their opinons. If they did know then I apologise. 2. Not all states have the same mindset when it comes to using a gun against someone as does Texas. 3. It all boils down to who is good and who is lucky when you get into a close quarters gun battle. Everyone needs to make their decision in advance as to what they will do, and the decision to accept the consequences of their actions, realizing that in many circumstances a gun battle is going to result in one's own self being killed. I hear so many guys brag about what they are going to do if someone attacks them with a weapon. The true reality of the situation is that they might get killed theirselves, and so might those they are trying to protect. In the Michigan case everything worked out well. If there had to be a gun battle the person who was shot is the one who should have been shot, given all of the facts. However, I certainly do not believe, as some here seem to suggest, that the young man should have been shot if he did not have a weapon. Just a difference of opinion. | |||
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Given the same situation and not seeing a gun by the perp (in other words he might or might not have a weapon, gun or knife), I'd have shot him in a second. He is attacking you, one lucky punch and you're out or dead. Most people that are in their 60s or 70s are not seriously capable of engaging in a streetfight and that would include me. Don't want to get shot, don't attempt to rob someone. AFA gun battles go, if someone attacks you with a weapon, it's true you can lose, but what is the option? Hope the perp sees the error of his ways? Give up? Not if I think I have any chance. YMMV. Personally I plan on reducing the odds by at least one with my first 3 shots. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I can respect that. You have to do what you have to do. And I sincerely hope that for all of those who make that decision it works out well for them, knowing that in many cases the person may have a gun and may be able to use it very quickly and very accurately in the event somebody escalates the situation with their own gun. | |||
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See above expanded answer. So, what is your option? Give up and hope for the best. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I don't know what I would do. That is why I do not currently carry a weapon. I would not have trouble shooting somebody if I had to, but I don't trust myself to escalate a situation where I might end up being the one killed. I have never forgot what a police officer stressed at a training session I went to. Quite simply, when you are shooting at someone it gives that person a whole lot more initiative to shoot back at you. As I said, each has to make his own decision. | |||
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any questions ? 10 to one the coach was white and the perps were not. Therefore it is a hate crime. Then again, who TF would ever live in Detroit ? | |||
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You got a lot of good answers here, Peter. I hope that you can learn from them. | |||
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If it had been a white coach the story would have pointed out that the young men were BLACK men. As I read this all of them may well have been black or any other color. The issue was the assault, the media always brings up race. The Trevon Martin case was no different. He was a BLACK youth. They didn't say what the other guy was because he was mixed race. If he had been White he would have been pointed out as just that. Trevon was a wanna be thug according to witnesses from his school. | |||
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This is insane logic. The same idiocy that Johnson used to lose the Vietnam war and thousands of our soldiers. When someone robs you they deserve to be killed in self defense. | |||
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