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Now he well not be robbing any more banks. | |||
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Pretty fast reaction on the part of the guard. Not sure why there is even a question of charging him with anything!!! Peter Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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one only has to read the whole article. Authorities announced Tuesday that the guard, Brian Harrison, acted in defense of himself and others and would not be charged in the Jan 20 incident in which the suspect, Laurence Turner, died at the scene, WIFR reported. Turner, who was hit twice, was linked to three other local armed robberies. | |||
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While it all worked out well in the end, the security guard was lucky not to have been taken out as he was not on the job and did not notice the felon had even entered the bank. Had the robber had a sawn-off that security guard would likely have been toast. It seems he also had an ejection failure with his semi as he had to rack the slide before taking more shots as the felon fled? While he was fast on the draw and probably saved lives he was extremely lucky as he only became effect after the felon was in and close. | |||
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I agree with Gatoordo what world do you live in. The whole thing was over in 10 seconds. I think he had a slide lock back cause by his thumb riding up by his one handed off balance shooting. He solved that as fast as could be done. He was in the fight from the get go there no oh shit moment I don't know how he could of acted faster unless he would have had his gun out pointed at the door and pulled the trigger as the perp walked in. Dam that would be kind of hard on real customers. In these situation the perp always has the upper hand until they do some overt action to draw attention to them selves and show that they are a danger. From cold to hot with a draw engaging in 2 seconds or less is a great response. Action beats reaction this time the reaction was fast and decisive. Then clearing a malfunction and reengaging great job done. One can always What if a situation but with the facts seen in this one a great job was done. | |||
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I'm strictly guessing here, but I would bet the guy was trained somewhere along the line, ex-MP, ex-cop, or off-duty, who knows?, but his responses were beyond what I would expect from the standard rent a cop....not because they are bad people, they are just not paid or have the money or time for real training. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Retired sheriffs deputy. | |||
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I live in the real world and that was my point, he wasn't watching the door, he was on duty and was caught busy yapping to the bank staff. The staff saw the perp coming in and reacted before the guard, at least you conceded that. The perp was in and came in with a visible handgun as the staff saw before the guard. My other point was that had the perp had a sawn-off and got off the shot he did, the guard was likely toast and then maybe staff to follow. The perp was brazen and obviously ready to use the handgun. I acknowledged that once the guard was aware he was quick but as many guards and cops have discovered, milliseconds can be the difference between live hero or dead hero. The outcome was good but only just. | |||
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That is the interesting point. The bad guy didn't turn and run, or act surprised. He was ready to engage. I don't know whether he was hit or just dived for cover, but it was a good move. I agree that the guard was not ready. He was b-s-ing with the staff. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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World is full of Monday morning quaterbacks. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Ridiculous argument. At the ranges in the bank, the shotgun would have a pattern measured in inches AND you're assuming the perp knew how to shoot AND you're assuming he would have entered the bank without being noticed while carrying a shotgun AND that he would have immediately ided the guard behind the tellers as a threat AND fired a shot AND you're assuming the first shot would have been by perp AND would have been fatal AND....... I'll take the real world results, not some what ifs.......Great job! Great results! xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I thought I had read somewhere that the perp had fired his first shot into the air to get peoples attention. That would certainly get the guards attention !! A ' good shoot ' !  | |||
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Great job, indeed! | |||
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Instant karma. Have to love it. A little surprised to see the one-handed combat technique, but considering the angles and the outcome, no big deal. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Read sawn-off, you've seen the pattern of a sawn-off? Of course there are always assumptions, had the guard been hit and gone down we would have had a whole lot more assumptions to make on his part. The one fact that I have pointed out and others have also picked up on is that he was not on the job and the perp was in and close before he got on the job. He did a bloody good job when he was on the job but the outcome could well have been different, he lost seconds. All praise to him that the outcome was best for all concerned including the perp. I only made the point out of interest when observing the video. Many people are killed or injured in accidents through a fraction of a seconds inattention. Everyone should learn from these. If that is being a Monday morning quarterback then I willingly put my hand up when it comes to staying alive. | |||
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Not only have I seen the pattern, but I've shot dozens of them, probably many more than you have, and your idea of the deadliness of a "sawed off" is full of crap. I repeat, at the ranges inside the bank, the pattern would be measured in inches, less than a foot AND you somehow expect the perp to stop at the door, peep around for potential threats, while in plain view, pick out the guard, etc. Give it up, you flat don't know what you're talking about. Just FYI, pattern of a "sawed off" is less than or about a foot wide at 15 yards, which is farther than the interior of bank. I'm done discussing this with you. I would bet you REALLY serious money that if I put you in a boring job for weeks on end and staged a similar situation in the first year or so of that job, that you WOULD NOT do it any better and probably a helluva lot worse. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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How did he lose seconds when he was in action in 2 to 2.5 seconds. | |||
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For someone accusing me of assuming, you are assuming a whole lot about someone you don't know. I'm also done, I know what I saw in the video so have others. | |||
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The perp MISSED his first shot by quite a ways. IF he'd had a sawed off and made the same shot he'd of STILL MISSED, hitting the same area, sure, much more damage than a single bullet but, he still missed his first shot. Too F LATE then! That guard was damned quick the way I see it. Sure hope I'm half as good if n when. I've shot ONE sawed off long ago, 20ga double cut off at the pistol grip. It was bitch to shoot even short brass in the early '60's. Shot scatters but, up close it's tight but, damned effective. Further away, you bet it will cover a good sized pattern IF far enough away. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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The guard knew enough to clear the issue with his sidearm, made himself small by using the counter as shield of sorts, and did just as he had been trained to do. The robber had no idea who or what he was up against and end result is that the good guy wins, bad guy loses. Bank should give the man a sizeable bonus. | |||
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Do the police or Security guards in New Zealand carry firearms? Considering the ties to the UK I would tend to think otherwise. The above may be some of the reasoning for Eagles opinion, and he initialed to it though in my opinion he is all wet in this case. I don't know about in NZ but here in Texas the S-guards do not sit on the door in banks but roam the whole lobby, because in most cases robberies are not started till the Perp get to the teller and slips a note very quietly to the teller. The guards watch the Teller posts more than anything. In this case the S-guard was at appropriate position where he could see the whole teller counter, and the doors as well. IMO, this Ex Sheriffs deputy was quick to respond yet had a shield of the counter to use for protection, offering an excellent position to fight from, and made his shots count, while the Perps shots were all wild. I say the action was proper in this case, and he stayed cool under fire! However in the case of a sawn off shotgun and considering the distance between the Perp, who fired the first shot, and the S-guard even both barrels would not make a pattern wider than about eight inches and as was stated above would still have been a miss. I have two sawn off shotguns a 12 ga and a twenty ga, both double barrels and neither one will spread more than 10 inches at 10 feet, with both barrels and this case the shot was less then 8 feet. ....................................................................  Just one mans opinion!....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Great job! He kept shooting until the quarry was down and then approached the downed criminal ready to make a finishing shot if needed. I don't think this was his first rodeo.  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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