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Marines allow MARSOC Operators to choose Glock's over 1911's
Military.com ^ | February 19, 2015 | Matthew Cox

Posted on ‎2‎/‎20‎/‎2015‎ ‎3‎:‎58‎:‎01‎ ‎PM by xsrdx

The Marine Corps has authorized MARSOC operators to carry Glock pistols, since most of the elite outfit's members prefer the popular 9mm over the custom .45 pistols the service bought them in 2012.



The Corps issued a Feb. 2 Marine Administrative Message, or MARADMIN, that green-lighted Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, or MARSOC, units to use the Glock 19, a proven design used by many units in U.S. Special Operations Command.

The reliable, easy-to-maintain 9mm features a polymer frame and a 17-round magazine.



The Marine Corps just completed an exhaustive search for a new MARSOC pistol in 2012. The service awarded a $22.5 million contract to Colt Defense LLC., for up to 10,000 Close Quarter Battle Pistols.

The custom, 1911 design replaced the fleet of worn-out MARSOC M45 pistols. It features a rail for mounting lights, a custom trigger, a manual safety, improved ergonomics and glowing Tritium sights for low-light conditions.



As nice as the new .45s are, MARSOC troops prefer to carry Glock 19s instead, sources said.

especially if they can authorize a few 33-round magazines...

ISS

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
especially if they can authorize a few 33-round magazines...

ISS

My friend calls them happy sticks as they make you happy after get done shooting with one.

I would think as a secondary weapon the 33 round mag. would be a bit bulky for carry in most situations.

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Originally posted by xgrunt:
I would think as a secondary weapon the 33 round mag. would be a bit bulky for carry in most situations.

I guess a fully loaded 33 round mag could be uses a club or secondary weapon.

Poor sentence structure. A Glock loaded with a 33 round magazine, if you consider the handgun as a secondary weapon, might pose some carry problems. I expect the Marine SF like the Glock for its dependability and the standard double stack magazine.

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Marines allow MARSOC Operators to choose Glock's over 1911's
Military.com ^ | February 19, 2015 | Matthew Cox

Posted on ‎2‎/‎20‎/‎2015‎ ‎3‎:‎58‎:‎01‎ ‎PM by xsrdx

The Marine Corps has authorized MARSOC operators to carry Glock pistols, since most of the elite outfit's members prefer the popular 9mm over the custom .45 pistols the service bought them in 2012.



The Corps issued a Feb. 2 Marine Administrative Message, or MARADMIN, that green-lighted Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, or MARSOC, units to use the Glock 19, a proven design used by many units in U.S. Special Operations Command.

The reliable, easy-to-maintain 9mm features a polymer frame and a 17-round magazine.



The Marine Corps just completed an exhaustive search for a new MARSOC pistol in 2012. The service awarded a $22.5 million contract to Colt Defense LLC., for up to 10,000 Close Quarter Battle Pistols.

The custom, 1911 design replaced the fleet of worn-out MARSOC M45 pistols. It features a rail for mounting lights, a custom trigger, a manual safety, improved ergonomics and glowing Tritium sights for low-light conditions.



As nice as the new .45s are, MARSOC troops prefer to carry Glock 19s instead, sources said.

Blasphemy.

Thought: the average ten year old kid can learn to shoot a 9mm pretty quick and combat accurately, especially compared to the learning curve necessary for a 1911 in 45 acp.

33-rounders Bulky, hardly. Potentially lifesaving, certainly. Four of them will easily fit in a single M16 magazine pouch on a Molle vest.

One of my nephews is an Army Ranger, a tour each in Sandbox I and Sandbox II.

He had been in I about six weeks when he asked me to get him one of the Surefire (make?) sixty-round magazines for his M16 (current version). In about six weeks all of his squad had asked their family members to get them one, along with a dozen Mag-Pul 30-rounders apiece to replace the crap magazines they had. When they rotated, they sold them to their replacements.

I'm probably behind the times. My thoughts are based on personal experience of when you fought with what was on your back and resupply at times a little iffy. I'm all about fire superiority for the primary weapon and extra rounds for it. You can only carry so much on your person.

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I'm all about fire superiority for the primary weapon and extra rounds for it. You can only carry so much on your person.

One of the reasons the 9mm and 223 has an advantage over the much heavier 308 and 45

Which why the ground forces of the US issue 762 rifles 2x per squad, carry 762 medium MGs and have moved to 300WM sniper rifles.

Fire suppression works are close range where beaten zones are small, and concentration of fire effectively puts heads down. In open ares, longer ranges and greater dispersion effectively reduces fire suppression (unless the ground component has an AC130J in their back pocket).

At the grunt level, a few rounds of 45 vice 9mm makes no difference-nor does 762 vice 556.

At the log level, it does to a degree, but we are talking pallet loads vice MOLLE loads.

The fact is that both small caliber and medium caliber platforms are effective in rather specific roles, just as a 243 vice 416 in hunting.... I have both, so do most of the rest of us, the military ground forces need flexibility- the AFGs have learned how to hurt us and stay out of harms way via standoff- they'd rather pin down a platoon and wing a few with long range 762x54 MG fire than engage in close combat and get wiped out.

We recalled all of our NM M14s from state rifle associations and put them back into service, bought M110s and issued them 2x per INF squad, developed mid range M16/M4 calibers ( 6.8 SPC) and replaced 762 M40s and M24 SWS with the M 2010 300 WM Sniper kit.

Fact is one caliber won't do all tasks well, and some not at all.

We will see 556, 762, 300, 416, 50 cal & 9mm 45 and maybe even 40SW diversity for a long while. As it should be.

Folks who use handguns extensively in mil ops are usually very proficient, the rest carry a pistol since they are pretty much worthless as combat multipliers themselves ( think GOs, Bde/Bn Cdrs and staff pukes- they get paid to think and plan, while combat arms/ combat support types ( IN, AR, EN, FA, ADA, SF,-- MP, etc) get paid to shoot.

In my 23 yr Army experience, I carried everything from 556, 762 45 and 9mm, as well as 12ga and all were mission or position based, I never carried just a pistol in any combat theater. A rifle/carbine or shotgun were primary-even as a field grade staff officer in later tours. I did once get a "direct order" from a Colonel (I was an engineer Major) to get rid of that "effing shotgun" in IRQ. One order I never did obey.

Diversity of weapons is good.

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the AFGs have learned how to hurt us and stay out of harms way via standoff- they'd rather pin down a platoon and wing a few with long range 762x54 MG fire than engage in close combat and get wiped out.

Makes sense HP except that sometimes the Marines get into CQC house clearing type operations don't they? BTW are there any 9mm rounds that pierce Kevlar vests? At one point there were, as I recollect. I don't know whether the steel jacketed 9mm rounds do that or not.Presumably we need to prepare to face folks who may well be at least as well equipped as we are.
Peter.

I doubt even a steel jacketed 9mm NATO ball round would penetrate anything greater than a II level vest- Issue body armor for US troops is IIIA, plus SAPI ( small arms protective insert) plates afford IV+ coverage for front and back thorax, adequate to stop 762 NATO AP.

Certainly we fight CQC/CQB, which is my reason for stating the need for diversity- the 556 family of ammo ( M855, 855A1, SOSR, Mk 262 & AP and frangible) all do just fine at mid to close range ( 200m and less) from rifles and carbines. Mk 262, SOSR and 855A1 are pretty good at range too ( I use 75 grain Hornady BTHPs in an A2 NM rifle to 600 yard in High power competition and terminal accuracy and performance are rather good, big matches I use 80 AMaxs for 600+, but they are longer than magazine length.

The 75s starting at ~ 2730, are still travelling 1550 or so at 600, good enough for about 700 ft/lbs of energy.

Mk 262 uses 77 grain Sierra Match kings at about 2850 from a 14.5 inch carbine ( brass is well stressed, let me tell you!), 2950+ from a 20 inch rifle.

CQC, the AR family rules quite well, pistols, not many in their right mind would use the pistol, any pistol, for general combat even inside a building- as a back up certainly, but not as a primary ( unless we are talking SOF type mission, even then, ST 6 used HK 416s or M4A1s, not sidearms, as primary for take down Bin Laden et al.

American LE uses sidearms quite a bit, but then they are not supposed to be focused on killing, but rather stopping... SWAT folks use sub guns, 556 carbines etc for CQB, like our warriors- which begs a few questions about SW employment... ( to me anyway).

My home defense long gun is a A4 556 with 2 30 round mags of 55 grn softs, or the 12 ga with 8 2 3/4 +4 bucks.... I carry my G27 to help me get to the long guns....

OK. Homework assisgnment for O.P. PDS.

Correction to original article, the G19 comes with 15 round, not 17 round mags.

When you find an aritcle that any Tier 1 unit is actually issueing 33 rd. Glock mags sticks, feel free to post that article up here.

I don't see that happening, nor will merely an NSN # count for anything.

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Correction to original article, the G19 comes with 15 round, not 17 round mags.

I saw right away was wondering how long it would take for some one else to notice.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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Correction to original article, the G19 comes with 15 round, not 17 round mags.

I saw right away was wondering how long it would take for some one else to notice.

You knew I would pick up on that.

I would not have bothered to comment on just that, but had to say something a Marines with no 1911, just flies in the face of the last 100 years of Marine history.

I still am not buying U.S. Military using 33 rd. mags.

I added the base which puts two more rounds in my 15 round magazines. Not for the added capacity but it just feels better in my hand. I expect any soldiers that might wind up with this handgun will do the same.

What do you gain, what do you lose.

Another reason to add the plus 2 baseplate is there is more real estate to give purchase for a rip drill. Especially, helpful when wearing gloves and doing said drill in low light.

On the down side, it makes the system, longer by having the +2 sticking out the bottom and the bigger issue is increased likelyhood of having a feed related malfunction relating to the magazine spring and the +2 baseplate. There is a reason that Glock does not recomend plus 2 base plates.

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Originally posted by Cold Zero:
What do you gain, what do you lose.

Another reason to add the plus 2 baseplate is there is more real estate to give purchase for a rip drill. Especially, helpful when wearing gloves and doing said drill in low light.

On the down side, it makes the system, longer by having the +2 sticking out the bottom and the bigger issue is increased likelyhood of having a feed related malfunction relating to the magazine spring and the +2 baseplate. There is a reason that Glock does not recomend plus 2 base plates.

I have certainly not shot enough rounds (maybe 10K) through both my standard (15 rounds) and +2 magazines in my Glock 22 to make any sweeping generalizations, but I've not seen any problems yet.

When we issued the 23s we would issue one 13 round for carry and two 15 round mags for the reload.

Could be something like that

Anyone know why they picked the Glock 19 rather than a full size 17 or even (my favorite) the 17L
Peter.