I have a CCW and the Second Amendment.

As a full-fledged citizen of the United States of America I should be able to drive from state to state with my firearms, just like I'm able to drive from state to state with my motor vehicle -- Just like I'm married in any state regardless where I got married. Just like I'm an American in all 50 states and US Territories.

"Shall not be infringed" -- Just like it says in the Bill of Rights.

Discuss . . .

In my opinion, there's not much to discuss based on your statements. In this case, I agree.

I don't disagree in concept. But you have mixed a constitutionally granted "right" with a few legal "privleges".

Driving is a revocable privlege granted under the law. So is CCW. Neither is a constitutional "right". There is a huge difference.

Don't know about marriage.

I forgot to add that many venues will recognize a lawfully granted CCW from another venue, but, many still do not. There are several pieces of state and federal legislation pending intended to provide for state-by-state recognition.
But don't forget, a CCW is a REVOCABLE legal privlege, not a right. Hence, local law will always prevail unless a federal law says otherwise.

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Originally posted by TWL:
I forgot to add that many venues will recognize a lawfully granted CCW from another venue, but, many still do not. There are several pieces of state and federal legislation pending intended to provide for state-by-state recognition.
But don't forget, a CCW is a REVOCABLE legal privlege, not a right. Hence, local law will always prevail unless a federal law says otherwise.

Also remember, there are two major ways to end up with a national right to carry.

One is state reciprocity mandated by the feds between all the states under the "commerce" clause. That one would likely be a blessing.

Another is to let the feds set standards for CCW permits and issue them nationally. Even on a "Must Issue" basis that could well be an absolute disaster.

You think there is wrangling over health care? At least everyone wants helath care in some form or another! Not everyone wants a CCW to even exist, in any form.

And guess who has he most votes in Congress...California, New York, Illinois, etc. Do we want them writing the standards? I surely don't.....

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Originally posted by Wm.S.Ladd:
I have a CCW and the Second Amendment.

As a full-fledged citizen of the United States of America I should be able to drive from state to state with my firearms, just like I'm able to drive from state to state with my motor vehicle -- Just like I'm married in any state regardless where I got married. Just like I'm an American in all 50 states and US Territories.

"Shall not be infringed" -- Just like it says in the Bill of Rights.

Discuss . . .

I agree 100%

Senate just narrowly defeated a bill, 58 to 39 for reciprocity on CCW for states that issue -- which are 40 these days.

Schumer, D, NY held up passage with a threat to filibuster.

It will come up some more.

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Originally posted by Wm.S.Ladd:

Schumer, D, NY held up passage with a threat to filibuster.

Of course he did. But I'll be willing to bet that if he has security people, they are armed wherever they go!

You have the right to travel interstate with your firearms in a case(if you don't have a CCW for that state or they don't reciprocate)BUT in New Jersey the courts have upheld that if you DON"T stop anwhere...so if going through the craphole known as NJ,fill your gas tank before,have some food and take a leak and hope you don't have to stop and pee........also hollowpoint ammo is $100 a round fine if discovered...which is why I don't set foot in that liberal craphole.

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Originally posted by TWL:
I don't disagree in concept. But you have mixed a constitutionally granted "right" with a few legal "privileges".

Driving is a revocable privilege granted under the law. So is CCW. Neither is a constitutional "right". There is a huge difference.

Don't know about marriage.

Here's the text, verbatim:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Keeping and bearing is a RIGHT, not a "privilege."

Keeping and bearing means "possessing and packing." The Bill of Rights doesn't say anything about "concealed" or "printing" or "only handguns, only long-guns."

It says, "the right to keep and bear arms."

It's a RIGHT, not a "privilege."

AND it says, "shall not be infringed."

I read that as meaning some govt. bureaucrat or the local Sheriff does NOT have the legal option to tell me I can or cannot keep/bear unless I have a "permit."

According to the Founders, the "right" was God granted, not Sheriff granted.

And the "state's rights" issue is a red herring, always has been.

I planned a trip from Florida to Maine.

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http://apps.carryconcealed.net...,newhampshire,maine,

Planning to drive across CA from the Pacific NW to Nevada . . .

"Peaceable Journey" up until CA decides to jerk my chain.

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Originally posted by COOL:
I planned a trip from Florida to Maine.

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http://apps.carryconcealed.net...,newhampshire,maine,

It sure seems as though one particular part of the country isn't very hospitable to firearms. Maybe you should just say "No hablo" if you get pulled over.

It's a states rights issue...get it? That's why it is in front of the Supreme Court. There are two conflicting rights here. You constitutional experts jump up and down about states rights and the federal government superseding them, but then it is all forgotten when it comes to carrying guns?
Peter.

seem to remember seein starter of this post yammern on about not payin taxes, needin to carry intrastate an not payin taxes, odd maybe?
sounds like a self described "al capone"
"why not" have some input on concealed carry from what might be the dark side of conceald carry. but to quote a mentor something about kindr n gentlr we should not assume there is criminal activity, like dealing or the appointee pastime "evasion" more likely the lad is just a WELFARE RECIEPIENT on vacation
to distinguish him from others such as workers and' unraised' taxpayers he should be known on this forum HENCEFORTH AND FOREVER AS --- WELFARE WILLIE

All, notice the words "of the people". The biggest words not explained in the post. The people are not in a state or city. They are citizens of the country. Sad to say most would rather vote to raise your taxes so they can get a bigger hand out than get a job.

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Originally posted by anukpuk:
seem to remember seein starter of this post yammern on about not payin taxes, needin to carry intrastate an not payin taxes, odd maybe?
sounds like a self described "al capone"
"why not" have some input on concealed carry from what might be the dark side of conceald carry. but to quote a mentor something about kindr n gentlr we should not assume there is criminal activity, like dealing or the appointee pastime "evasion" more likely the lad is just a WELFARE RECIEPIENT on vacation
to distinguish him from others such as workers and' unraised' taxpayers he should be known on this forum HENCEFORTH AND FOREVER AS --- WELFARE WILLIE

I'm a god damned 100% service-connected disabled veteran, volunteer firefighter, and Sheriff's Reserve.

Let's not fuck with me.

do tell, a new sherrif in town.
playin bad cop on the laptop.
good share of your posts are long term dope smoker dribble, rarely hear it from someone not smokin lots of dope, and thats a fact. stick to gun related topics, we'll be fine.
i dont have to like 1911's you dont have to like glocks.
my advice on vacation is leave the guns at home, your posts sound like your about to embarrass your department.
keep pickin on palin, her church will pray for you and soon you'll be preachin the gospel

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Originally posted by anukpuk:
do tell, a new sherrif in town.
playin bad cop on the laptop.
good share of your posts are long term dope smoker dribble, rarely hear it from someone not smokin lots of dope, and thats a fact. stick to gun related topics, we'll be fine.
i dont have to like 1911's you dont have to like glocks.
my advice on vacation is leave the guns at home, your posts sound like your about to embarrass your department.
keep pickin on palin, her church will pray for you and soon you'll be preachin the gospel

I think you have me confounded with one of the dumb fucks in here. Have you looked in the mirror lately?



It's "you're" . . . not "your."

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Originally posted by Wm.S.Ladd:

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Originally posted by anukpuk:
seem to remember seein starter of this post yammern on about not payin taxes, needin to carry intrastate an not payin taxes, odd maybe?
sounds like a self described "al capone"
"why not" have some input on concealed carry from what might be the dark side of conceald carry. but to quote a mentor something about kindr n gentlr we should not assume there is criminal activity, like dealing or the appointee pastime "evasion" more likely the lad is just a WELFARE RECIEPIENT on vacation
to distinguish him from others such as workers and' unraised' taxpayers he should be known on this forum HENCEFORTH AND FOREVER AS --- WELFARE WILLIE

I'm a god damned 100% service-connected disabled veteran, volunteer firefighter, and Sheriff's Reserve.

Let's not fuck with me.

It sounds as if you are a want-to-be! If you want the right to carry through out the United States become a full time active Law Enforcement Officer and if you retire honorably you also have the right to carry throughout the USA.

You seem to have an identity crisis, you are a liberal, conservative, and libertarian all rolled into one. I guess being an academic like you claim, it matters which book you read last as to your self identity.

I hope the Sheriff's department you are a reserve with doesn't read your posts or it will have you pschologically re-evaluated.

I am not too sure that this is a "state's rights" issue. If that were the case does one state have the right to not recognize a driver's license issued by another? What happened to full faith and credit? It would seem not inappropriate for the Supreme Court to reach a decision that requires each state to give full faith and credit to the license issued by another. If the 2nd Amendment is not applicable to each state, is the 1st?

Laddy,

A wise man wouldn't judge another by any means

A slightly leser man woold judge anothur by the content of his thoughts

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If you really concerned about being able to carry anywhere, get involved instead of just bitchin'. I employ the boycott method of expressing my views. If a state, person, country, business, etc. wants to be a PITA on an issue that I care about, I make sure that I don't allow them to use any of my money to continue being a PITA. As far as traveling around the country with a gun, there are ways.

I think billinthewild has an excellent point. Do we need to treat all of the amendments alike? The first amendment IS acted upon differently in all jurisdictions, especially as it relates to pornography. What is legal in Vegas and the surrounding areas in certainly not legal in rural Kansas.

The same is, and maybe should be true of the second amendment. I don't want it to be legal for felons to have guns, especially violent ones. To me that is part of "WILL be infringed". Do I want the feds regulating these things, probably not. It just isn't that friggin hard to unload my pistol and put it in a case when I go hunting in Nebraska instead of Kansas since Neb doesn't recognize KS CCW.

Absolute rights corrupt absolutely, just like absolute power does.