Conyers, Georgia, video and pictures at link

http://www.gunwatch.blogspot.com/201...s-killing.html


In Conyers, Georgia, a citizen, openly carrying a holstered pistol, returned fire at a man who had already killed two people. The attack appears to be a planned mass shooting. The attacker was armed with a semiautomatic pistol, which he is seen firing in the video.

When the open carrier, Todd Scott, returned fire, the active shooter stopped the attack, and fled the store. He returned to the home where he lived with his parents, and shot and wounded them both. At this point the police arrived at the parents home.

The attacker allegedly pointed an AR-15 type rifle, with a double drum magazine, at the police. They shot and killed him. From wsmv.com:

CONYERS, GA (CBS46) -
A customer of a Rockdale County liquor store said he opened fire on a gunman who shot and killed a store owner and another customer.

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Police said Pitts left the liquor store, but later returned and opened fire on the owner and customers.

“I assume that this man was not going to stop, so I came up,” said Scott.

Scott was carrying a weapon and fired a shot at Pitts. He said he is not sure whether Pitts was struck.

I doubt you'll see this on the MSM.......


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Simply because the OC guy was not shot means little. Tunnel vision, super-focus and other psy and environmental factors may have made the OC guy invisible to the bad guy. However, if the BG HAD seen the OC guy, several possibilities could be reasonably expected- he walks away w/o shooting at all, he shoot the OC guy and then either continues or flees, or he ignores him, intentionally focusing on his targets etc.

While in my home state I can OC anywhere except where federally prohibited, I will always carry concealed except when hunting with a handgun ( when hunting with a bow or long gun, I CC).

The OC tribe wants us to think that OC is a political, cultural and tactical behavior that accomplishes multiple tasks in one act. I will rally when called for, I will subtly endeavor to sway society when appropriate, but I will always retain the tactical advantage of being transparent all I can. Separate tasks, purposes and separate actions.

You are welcome to behave as you will, Best!

I figure open carry just highlights you as the first target to engage.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I figure open carry just highlights you as the first target to engage.

Rich

the main thing about open carry to me, is not having to worry about "printing" or needing to take a jacket off for a few minutes. I like what I have heard called --Discreet carry-- Think of a detective in plain clothes.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I figure open carry just highlights you as the first target to engage.

It didn't in this case.

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Originally posted by jwp475:

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I figure open carry just highlights you as the first target to engage.

It didn't in this case.

The myth that and open carrier well be shot first is just another one of the many false hoods pushed by the anti's

With open carry, no one can hassle you when your concealed weapon may become visible momentarily.

Funny thing no local news stated anything about the guy who shot back. Being in GA this was all over the news every local Atlanta station covered it. Not one word about anyone firing back at the murderer.Shameful who knows how many lives were saved.

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The myth that and open carrier well be shot first is just another one of the many false hoods pushed by the anti's

Are you serious???
I am a bad guy intent on killing someone or robbing a bank. I see someone carrying a gun and I DON'T shoot him. I'm sorry, but you are completely NUTS.
Peter

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Originally posted by Peter:

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The myth that and open carrier well be shot first is just another one of the many false hoods pushed by the anti's

Are you serious???
I am a bad guy intent on killing someone or robbing a bank. I see someone carrying a gun and I DON'T shoot him. I'm sorry, but you are completely NUTS.
Peter

Peter, do you have any statistics to back up your position? I hear this all the time but I have never seen any statistics to support the claim only opinion.

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Originally posted by Peter:

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The myth that and open carrier well be shot first is just another one of the many false hoods pushed by the anti's

Are you serious???
I am a bad guy intent on killing someone or robbing a bank. I see someone carrying a gun and I DON'T shoot him. I'm sorry, but you are completely NUTS.
Peter

Not completely nuts. Most individuals intent on killing many individuals (who are not soldiers involved in armed conflict) are cowards. They are cowards because they go to "gun free zones" to slaughter innocent individuals rather than going to the local gun friendly business to attempt their nefarious act...and once confronted with an armed individual(s) they fold and generally commit suicide.

Before you discount this, it happened a few years ago in a mall in Oregon. Armed perp was just attempting his slaughter near the food court when a CCW carrier confronted him; CCW carrier didn't fire any shots because of the numerous innocent individuals who might be injured. The perp committed suicide shortly thereafter before the police could take him into custody.

Armed perps are typically cowards...

I recall a study conducted in prison where violent felons were the test population. Summarizing, most of the perps would not attack someone whom they had good reason to believe were armed. Why? Even idiot crooks do not want to die (much of time) unfortunately, we cannot interview those who capped themselves etc after attacking sheep.

OC is fine if you are in uniform or out in the woods etc (my opinion, obviously) but being armed and invisible is a tactical advantage for when such gravest of extremes does occur to you or around you.

Unlike the police, we do not a drag net of organized brothers to comb the streets if one of us should get hurt by a BG. That is a big deterrent to most.

I do not see myself as having X-ray vision.

That said, I can identify 99% of the CC people in a building within a minute or two.

The sequence:

1. anybody with one of those leather bags people carry around their waist. Man purses...? They have minimal, if any support, so they sag badly.

2. almost always people without Military/LEO training want to pat their weapon every minute or so to make sure they haven't lost it, or that is is not showing.

3. chubby guys with a flowered print t-shirt. If it isn't Magnum PI, they're packing. The wrinkled shirt back is a dead giveaway.

4. guys wearing a coat if the temperature is above 55-degrees. They all bought a GALCO Miami Vice or Jackass shoulder rig.

5. my personal favorite; a guy carrying a cell phone holster any bigger and wider than the new 6+ phones.


A great packing pistol is something very flat and small, like the Ruger LCP. It's about twice as thick as the 6+, so if you put it in your front pants pocket, and stick the phone in front of it; nobody notices.

99% of the normal citizenry have never been hurt worse than their last bloody nose in jr high. The sight of their own blood, coupled with very much pain, will fold them up like one of Will's checkbook wallets.

Carrying concealed means that, should your life, or the lives of others be threatened, you will shoot to stop the perp. Quickly...

There were times in RVN that my Ranger Team engaged the enemy very up close in the evening. We ended sleeping within a couple feet of the dead overnight.
Gruesome, yes; but that is the mentality you need to embrace to live thru conditions where your life is in danger.

Sean,

Agreed. I no longer have to worry about "printing" or my jacket flying open and showing my pistol. That's the main advantage of "open carry" to me.

And I do wear a jacket throughout the year in Houston, Texas, as do most businessmen and professionals, regardless of the heat.

lavaca,

most assassins do not attend bar assn luncheons.
Fast food restaurants or malls, where the crowds are large, and the target choices are varied.
I would as soon get a root canal as appear at a mall. They are surpassed only by Youth Soccer as the drop off choice of soccer moms.