You posted the following in another thread

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Originally posted by Peter:

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The myth that and open carrier well be shot first is just another one of the many false hoods pushed by the anti's

Are you serious???
I am a bad guy intent on killing someone or robbing a bank. I see someone carrying a gun and I DON'T shoot him. I'm sorry, but you are completely NUTS.
Peter

What is your basis for this and why the need to call the other poster "completely NUTS"
Have you evidence of fact that OC individuals are shot first or is it just your opinion.

Well jwp, you posted something similar on the original thread and I ignored it because it seemed that the thread had run it's course. Now you resurrect it again, so here is my response:
1. I was challenging the statement that it was "one of the many falsehoods pushed by the antis". This is clearly false as several posters have spoken about the wisdom of open carry, and none of them would be considered "antis". The most recent post was by HPMaster and he stated it much better than I did.
2. Yes it is my opinion, and I still consider it pure common sense.
3. On a wider issue, I do not necessarily consider the perps of such incidents as cowards, but rather as plain predators. As a predator, the initiative is always with them. They can choose whether to attack at that time or not. In many cases, presumably, the failure to attack at that time is not even noticed by the intended victim who goes on his/her merry way completely unaware of what nearly happened..
4. No, I have no evidence that OC individuals are shot first. How could I. How many such cases are there? The only one I can think of the is the shooting in a Walmart where a CC holder attempted to intervene and was promptly shot by a second perp. of whom he was unaware when he produced his gun.
5. The only way one could find out is to talk to the perp. and ask them how many other attempts they had made which were called off because they saw an open carry. The problem with this approach is that most on this forum call these people lunatics, mentally disturbed etc. Why in heavens name would anyone believe what this mentally disturbed individual claimed unless they WANT to believe it because it syncs with what they WANT to believe. If they say what they want to hear then they say "See I was right". If it doesn't sync then say "what do expect from a lunatic".
6. In any case, as I said it is my opinion, so, please, open carry whenever you want. Like HPMaster, I choose not to open carry.
The End.
Peter

If it is just your opinion how can you be so sure that opinion to the contrary is "completely false"

Well, since I was mentioned in the thread, I figured I'd look into OC risks. Lots of folks say no one has ever been gunned down by a BG because they were OCing. Okay. Still, when I play cards, I hold my hand close to my vest, don't you? Okay, weak analogy.

On the other hand, how many good folks got zapped by the police while OC or C? I can think of a few, whether the situation stunk of not, it happens-kids with toys, good men getting called out and reacting poorly etc.

I tend to think that walking past a cop while OCing may jut get his/her attention- which I don't want, or a flaming lib who is peeing her pants as she sees me carrying an ugly black people killing thingy and then freaks ( how many of those cases have we read about-some even making it to the SCOTUS) and tells the 911 dispatcher all sorts of possibly true or untrue stuff-sending men in blue my way with a sense of alert....

My son OCs in VA- I asked him what his BUG was and how he carried it-silence. I bought him a Ruger LCP380 and an ankle holster for an early BD present. Jared said he has had exactly zero people or ops approach him regarding his OC pistil- that's good, but like motorcycle riders- there are two kinds-those that have and those that will dump their machine. I am rather afraid of getting hurt ( 23 years of active duty INF and Cbt Engr experience taught me self-preservation is a good thing) so I avoid many things that I can control in favor of preparedness for things I cannot (impossible to100% of course).

OC if you wish, if you meet me on the street, you won't know my status, unless you know me personally.

One major negative that I see with open carry is that you lose the element of surprise. But you do have the element of advanced warning to perps. Advanced warning can be a negative or a positive.

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
One major negative that I see with open carry is that you lose the element of surprise. But you do have the element of advanced warning to perps. Advanced warning can be a negative or a positive.

465H&H

Hasn't been a problem.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
One major negative that I see with open carry is that you lose the element of surprise. But you do have the element of advanced warning to perps. Advanced warning can be a negative or a positive.

465H&H

Well, maybe not an exact analogy but no nation was ever safer by pretending not to have an army. 99% of criminals are looking for low risk opportunities and the other 1% are too unpredictable and statistically insignificant to be a factor.

Having said that in most daily situations I wouldn't open carry as a courtesy to the rest of the public. No reason too make some people uncomfortable when there is a nearly equal option.

I'll carry concealed thank you. Unless I'm walking into the OK corral, in which case I'll do both.

I'm a confirmed slouch. You often see me shuffling around with one or both of my hands in my front pants pocket. Generally, one hand is holding my Ruger 380.
A buddy and I are probably the only members here who reload the 380. All I do is practice getting the pea-shooter out of my pants pocket and firing one shot, at a silhouette target seven or eight steps away. Then, I put the pistol back in my pants pocket and repeat the sequence twenty or thirty times.

Muscle memory can be a wonderful thing...

In court the perp's atty will try and make the case you tried to kill the perp. I train to hit low center mass, around the belly button. The appropriate response, under oath, "I did not try and kill him/her. I only shot to protect my life, and keep the shooter from harming me or anyone else.

I espouse the notion that a lifetime without parole is a much better thing than escaping the consequence with a (fairly) quick death. Very effective at ending the attack, and allows for decades of reflection.