The latest obfuscation from the powers that be in Queensland.
Having filed my B709 with the Police you now have to apply to the Mines department for a permit to import your ammunition !!
You will require scan copies of official I.D. for 100 points - so that's your Passport, drivers licence and proof of address ( rates or utility bill etc ) plus a copy of your firearms licence.
These have to be certified copies ( J.P., notary, lawyer etc).
You send these off and they promise to get your permit back quick smart.
Apparently the Department of Mines wants to keep track of powder movement into the country.
Hard to see how this measure will facilitate this objective if the loaded ( or powder for reloading) has already been counted into the country.
Just another example of the Nanny State at work.
No thanks to QLD Government for keeping everyone informed.
So beware if you're travelling in or out of this state with ammunition (from another country).

G'Day Fella's,

Ridgeman, thank you for the update!

Two things about this, that I find amusing ;
1) If it is not being done in each and every State and Territory of Oz (Uniform National Gun Laws-LOL!!!), whats the point?

2) last time I heard, Terrorists don't bother with laws and filling out Govt forms etc.........

Oh well, I suppose it keeps the bureaucrats busy and in a job!

Doh!
Homer

The real pisser is that no one from SSAA appears to be plugged into anyone of legislative authority relevant to our sport, at a level that would at the very least, give us a heads up !
You would think that the day this piece of idiocy became a requirement, the SSAA QLD mob would have sent us all an e-mail !

What/where is this application for the QLD mines dept?

Try this link.
www.business.qld.gov.au/indust...lying-licence-permit
Sorry - not so good at cut and paste links

for quite a while, if you're buying any quantity ........don't ask me how much, you've had to supply I.D. so that Mines, who look after explosives, know who's got quantities of powder.

That's in Qld.

Thanks guys - I will check it out.

I'd just like to point out - to visiting hunters - if you fly into Brisbane with a B709 import permit issued by another state - this will not effect you. May not effect anyone on O/S visitors permits??

So according to the link:-

every cruising vessel arriving from O/S has to fill out an application for a permit for the internationally mandatory distress flares required for the vessel & its plying limits ???????

requirements for individuals bringing ammunition from a foreign country for a hunt is silly enough ........... the same for mandatory distress flares is ludicrous.
Export/Re-Export paperwork on departure is doubly ludicrous for both QLD/AUS & foreign vessels leaving Nth AUS EEZ waters.

I wonder how many customs clearances in Qld ports actually undertakes this requirement.

We went thru some of this silly stuff in the drafting of the universal coverage of National firearms legislation for each state .
A maritime parachute flare ( being >1" dia bore) was classified as a CANNON & had ridiculous requirements for approvals .
Commonsense prevailed in the subsequent supporting Regulations to exempt Distress flares from the requirements of the firearms legislation following submissions from yours truly.

with the QLD Mines administration of explosives it would seem commonsense for the QLD regulations to exempt distress flares from the requirements using the firearms legislation as the precedent.

You might also be interested to know that :-
The pilot of an aircraft or the Master of a Ship is exempt the provisions of the NSW Firearms Legislation ( Cl 6(f) ).... with I understand similar provisions in other States.
Relevant firearms & Ammo must remain on the vessel/aircraft following entry ( no provision for gunsmith repairs or ammunition purchases while in-country tho ).

Commonsense provisions in the reality of Piracy in the world north of us .

Denis - I doubt Customs could give a crap about this stuff - so long as a B709 is issued correctly - hence my previous comment about visitors arriving in QLD.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Denis - I doubt Customs could give a crap about this stuff - so long as a B709 is issued correctly - hence my previous comment about visitors arriving in QLD.

I phrased my comment poorly.
Firearm & Ammo in baggage raises the flag to look for accompanying B709 &/or QLD Mines Permit
I meant that I wondered how frequently customs looked for QLD Mines Permits to cover distress flares in vessel arrivals & whether skippers bothered with Mines permits in departures to outside the AUS EEZ.

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Originally posted by DenisB:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Denis - I doubt Customs could give a crap about this stuff - so long as a B709 is issued correctly - hence my previous comment about visitors arriving in QLD.

I phrased my comment poorly.
Firearm & Ammo in baggage raises the flag to look for accompanying B709 &/or QLD Mines Permit
I meant that I wondered how frequently customs looked for QLD Mines Permits to cover distress flares in vessel arrivals & whether skippers bothered with Mines permits in departures to outside the AUS EEZ.

With the airports - if you don't declare your ammunition and they find it you are very likely to be in the shit anyhow, doubly so if you cant produce a B709. Bags are scanned after you declare. Like I said I doubt they give a shit about the Mines Permit - least I have never heard it mentioned - perhaps it doesn't apply to less than the 5kg airline limit?

No idea about the arriving ships - but I doubt it is an issue for small quantities of ammo.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by DenisB:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Denis - I doubt Customs could give a crap about this stuff - so long as a B709 is issued correctly - hence my previous comment about visitors arriving in QLD.

I phrased my comment poorly.
Firearm & Ammo in baggage raises the flag to look for accompanying B709 &/or QLD Mines Permit
I meant that I wondered how frequently customs looked for QLD Mines Permits to cover distress flares in vessel arrivals & whether skippers bothered with Mines permits in departures to outside the AUS EEZ.

With the airports - if you don't declare your ammunition and they find it you are very likely to be in the shit anyhow, doubly so if you cant produce a B709. Bags are scanned after you declare. Like I said I doubt they give a shit about the Mines Permit - least I have never heard it mentioned - perhaps it doesn't apply to less than the 5kg airline limit?

No idea about the arriving ships - but I doubt it is an issue for small quantities of ammo.

On entry to Queensland custom won't "give a shit" about your mines permit if they find you with ammo, they just want to see your B709.
Trouble is someone at Queensland Weapons licencing and or Dept of mines has decreed no B709s are to be issued for live ammunition without the explosives permit. AFAIK Queensland still accepts interstate B709s (no explosive permit required).

I cannot decide if this new embuggerence is a way of the ALP making it harder for shooters as part of deliberate policy, or just a way of keeping staff at the Dept of mines busy after the collapse of the mining industry.
Either way, surprised it hasn't been discussed here before

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Originally posted by Ridgeman:
The real pisser is that no one from SSAA appears to be plugged into anyone of legislative authority relevant to our sport, at a level that would at the very least, give us a heads up !
You would think that the day this piece of idiocy became a requirement, the SSAA QLD mob would have sent us all an e-mail !

G'Day Fella's,

Ridgeman, I have been told that years ago now, the ssaa had been infiltrated by members of the ######### political party! Apparently, this was because little johnny's laws had created such a massive Gun Lobby, and this same political party wanted to control this! If this is correct and true, I'd have to say they were very successful, as the ssaa is a none event with regard to representing their members and LAFO's in general!!!

Double Doh!!
Homer

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Originally posted by GBE:

On entry to Queensland custom won't "give a shit" about your mines permit if they find you with ammo, they just want to see your B709.
Trouble is someone at Queensland Weapons licencing and or Dept of mines has decreed no B709s are to be issued for live ammunition without the explosives permit. AFAIK Queensland still accepts interstate B709s (no explosive permit required).

B709 is a federal document - it is just issued by the state agencies on behalf of Customs. Yes QLD accepts documents issued in other states. Customs do follow and enforce state laws at international borders (when it is convenient) - but I doubt this mines permit is one of them!!