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Hi Rod



Thanks for your reply.



Re the $1000 figure, that is a total fabrication on the part of the media here. I am not sure how they came up with that number as it is just not even in the ballpark of what is on the table. I can assure you the levy will be far less than that.



Regarding the rest of your concerns, I would encourage you to get in contact with Garry Ottmann (CEO of Game and Forest Foundation), who chaired the Establishment Committee for the GAC. The levy was one of their recommendations for funding so he is probably in the best position to discuss with you the whys and hows of that process. I gather that the way the levy would be collected would be at the border, rather than through the commercial guides etc, however Garry can provide you with more details on that.



You can access the public discussion paper that led to the announcement through this link:

http://www.midnightconcepts.ne...3_discussion%20paper



The sector, through people such as Garry, will be heavily involved in drafting the legislation and the setting up of the GAC so feedback such as yours is valuable for their future consideration.



Garry's email:

g.ottmann@gameandforest.co.nz



Re your comments on choppers - totally agree, heli-hunting is an absolute scourge on the backcountry. It may well take legislative change to force this activity out of the hills as current legislatrion is so archaic and full of holes that you could, well, fly a chopper through it, which is what the operators have done. DoC also find it easier to cave into their demands thanoppse them. There is an ideological reason for this also, DoC believe more heli-hunting will reduce tahr and chamois numbers. It is flawed logic of course as what they make up in heli-hunting they will lose from the lack of recreational hunting in those areas.



Definitely appreciate the correspondence



Kind regards



Hayden

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Originally posted by Gatsby26:
With the Aussie dollar and the extra trophy fee added I can see a lot of Aussie hunters taking there Aussie bucks elsewhere.
Cheers,
Gats!

Would certainly make me think twice about going back, and if I did at those prices I would spring for the extra to hunt on private land thanks!

Really would be no different to charging a $1K trophy fee for a Sambar from our Vic high country - how would folks feel about that!?

blacks

shankspony I only had to buy the hunting lic. I would only had to pay the export fee if I tried to bring the horns over the border.

Blacks no problem at all with paying TAG/trophy fee for Sambar or any other Australian game.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
shankspony I only had to buy the hunting lic. I would only had to pay the export fee if I tried to bring the horns over the border.

How much is the hunting licence for say, a Mountain Goat, or Elk?

Nah not on for me at all..once that shit starts the fees always grow...never lower!

prices I see around 500 on the avg but verys in each area you go.

The biggest cost isn't the lic. its the fact that non residence have to hire a guide or ouffiter. In most places.

I was hunting deer in a non guide area with some canadian freinds.

Yeah, thats about what I thought. What the NZ situation is, is basically a licence based on success, or a trophy fee instead of a licence. We have a unique situation here in that we have a high number of animals that arn't native, and there is a bias in most herds that runs to females of about 70/30. We may well see a 500 nzd fee on males, and a price on females as a management tool. I.E shoot 10 females and get a male for free. There are many options to be discussed.Its all conjecture at this stage.

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Originally posted by TOP_PREDATOR:
Blacks no problem at all with paying TAG/trophy fee for Sambar or any other Australian game.

If the funds are used for conservvation/management.

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Nah not on for me at all..once that shit starts the fees always grow...never lower!

why would they go lower??? Everything increases in price eventually...

Read my post again Matty and you will grasp the context cobber...

I`m saying once a fee is initiated it will only climb higher and higher as some germy accountant will with a stroke of the pen lift the fees to another level when they want an extra cash injection.

What concerns me is this talk about charging hunters and the government saying 'that money charged goes back into animal management'

The issue is that it probably won't, that money will go into a government slush fund to pay for other things. Like roading taxes that have gone to pay for everything else, except what it was designed to pay for.

I am really hoping that the New Zealand Game Animal Council will change the NZ Governments obscene view that it is ok dumping thousands of tons of 1080 into our environment, a policy backed by The Department of Conservation, Forest & Bird and the feel good Tree hugging Brigade, who contribute absolutely nothing constructive to New Zealand society with their feel good politically correct garbage.

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
Read my post again Matty and you will grasp the context cobber...

I`m saying once a fee is initiated it will only climb higher and higher as some germy accountant will with a stroke of the pen lift the fees to another level when they want an extra cash injection.

How is that possible if the board of directors is controlled by hunters???

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Originally posted by kiwiwildcat:
What concerns me is this talk about charging hunters and the government saying 'that money charged goes back into animal management'

The issue is that it probably won't, that money will go into a government slush fund to pay for other things. Like roading taxes that have gone to pay for everything else, except what it was designed to pay for.

It is possible to establish such things to ensure that the funds are used correctly. Generally it involves directing the money to a fund separate to general govt revenue.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by gryphon1:
Read my post again Matty and you will grasp the context cobber...

I`m saying once a fee is initiated it will only climb higher and higher as some germy accountant will with a stroke of the pen lift the fees to another level when they want an extra cash injection.

How is that possible if the board of directors is controlled by hunters???

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Originally posted by kiwiwildcat:
What concerns me is this talk about charging hunters and the government saying 'that money charged goes back into animal management'

The issue is that it probably won't, that money will go into a government slush fund to pay for other things. Like roading taxes that have gone to pay for everything else, except what it was designed to pay for.

It is possible to establish such things to ensure that the funds are used correctly. Generally it involves directing the money to a fund separate to general govt revenue.

ha ha since when do hunters have control over rules decisions and fees Matt

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Originally posted by gryphon1:

ha ha since when do hunters have control over rules decisions and fees Matt

Well they can to some extent if they control the management board. Naturally things can be over-ridden by the government but it depends on how it is written into legislation.

In NSW the regulations and finances are enshrined in legislation and the management board is governed by hunter groups.

Not to mention the political situation we have here is rather favourable.

I dont know what the situation will be in NZ but I am just saying it can be done. Hopefully they will get it right in NZ and hunters will have some control...

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Hopefully they will get it right in NZ and hunters will have some control...

And that control should result in no outlandish fee`s for us controlling game.

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Originally posted by gryphon1:

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Hopefully they will get it right in NZ and hunters will have some control...

And that control should result in no outlandish fee`s for us controlling game.

Who is we?? Aussies (O/S Hunters) or Kiwis??

Depends what you call outlandish???

We as Aussies heading into NZ will cop it in the freckle as well...I maintain that there should be no extra charges on top of what we pay in Vic either for Game Stamps..any extra charge is too much and the NZ proposals are pure shite.

You must remember that DOC in NZ has chopper shooters rolling tahr and chamois all the bloody time and leave them to rot yet you think its OK to suddenly put a fee on a hunter taking one out of the country,c`mon Matty!

The 1080 country we toured last week had DOC hunters on the ground in the range one back shooting whatever they could,I know this as a chopper pilot of my mate over there had been dropping them off...yep, that muted trophy fee means SFA in these cases.

Its revenue raising as simple as that,theres no other slant they can put on it IMO.

So when this authority 'takes control' dont you understand that its main mission would be to stop DOC eradication.... NOT taxing hunters???????

I would say that DOC shooters especially from choppers would shoot far mare animals than hunter would...its a tax thus simple as that!

So you WANT DOC to shoot more animals????