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I didn't know where to post this, Canada or New Zealand/Aus forums. Forever in their noisy neighbours’ shadows, Canada and New Zealand have decided to form the proud nation of New Zanada.  https://www.buzzfeed.com/simon...Q2NBbjXd#.orQgwlXOb9 . . . . . Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | ||
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 The way things are going here, I think I'll move there! DRSS | |||
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Dunno about that mate - we still have some standards ... ;-) ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Well Australia and Canada merging would be a better fit as they both have really messed up gun laws among other things including rather a lot of unfriendly critters, I think I quite happily stay right where I am. | |||
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NZ is a beautiful country. With sensible gun laws and competent politicians. DRSS | |||
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G'Day Fella's, Despite what some of the locals think about us Rocdoc (LOL!), I'm thinking the same as you! FYIRockdoc, www.nzfarms.co.nz then look at "Lifestyle Property" in the "Farm Type" section. Doh! Homer Lick the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity Just Once and You Will Suck For Life! | |||
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So its ok to tip now then  "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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When we emmigrated back to America from Australia, I really wanted to stay but I didn't get into Australian med school and couldn't exactly figure out how I was going to provide for my family. Wife looked at teaching in New Zealand, but the cost of living compared to the pay is kind of shit. At least in Australia, even thought it is expensive the bastards pay you to live there. I am personally attracted to the Yukon and Northwest Territories of Canada. If I could figure out the working part we'd be living there. Kiwis have better weather though. | |||
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Carry on  sir.-- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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should we seek Matt Grahams input on this subject too ? ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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I think Matts recently received quite a big tip. | |||
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I dont think too many have much faith in MG`s posts any more,mainly due to the absolute lack of them here. Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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I have had my run in with Matt over the years but I will never kick a man when he is down, even if he has messed up big time. I do not know the details of his situation but it does not sound good. I sincerely hope he is able to sort himself out without pulling others down. Back on topic - Yes I enjoyed my brief visit to Canada a few years ago - got a great colour phased black bear and a young mule deer. Great big wilderness. Great people too - not pompous or combative like some.  Not sure I would like their cold winters. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I'm in if our politicians and gun laws are out!!!!!!!!! | |||
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Not sure thats my quote above , although we do live in a mostly beautiful country , if you stay away from the cess-pool cities. Sensible gun laws ? Better than most countries but becoming more restictive. Competant politicians ? If compared to third world politicians then maybe so , although difficult even here to use competant and politician in the same sentence. ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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HA! I would vote for it. Does this mean I don't need a non-resident permit anymore...?? If we could combine NZ, Canada and Norway, that would be the place to live. | |||
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Anyone with any balls, or bollocks for you Brits by another name, left the bloody yoke of the Union Jack right around 1776, by my reckoning.  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I doubt ANY SANE COUNTRY would want anything to do with Trudeau. BTW that flag looks like Canada wants to merge with the UK, not NZ.  | |||
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.... and lots of sheep!  Lovely country. | |||
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Hey NitroX - heres some interesting information on sheep numbers . You Aussies have more than twice the number of sheep we do , but ours are prettier so we dont mind having them on display. http://www.knowsheep.eu/userfi...20at%20a%20Click.pdf ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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True. One of my standard jokes: "Lots of people think NZ has the most sheep for a country in the world. Not true. Australia has more sheep. But NZ has more sheep per capita ie per person, than any country on Earth. And is also the only country worried about how many sheep they have per person! Ha ha, only a joke. I used to have lots of sheep myself so can't talk. Now none. Need some good meat sheep though to mow down some grass. *** Looking at your pdf, ha ha ha, it is actually true!
Interesting about India. Ate lots of "sheep" and "mutton" in India, but never saw a sheep while there, but did see a great many goats ... | |||
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Me too, but I am not speaking French.... | |||
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Rockdoc, sensible means I can walk into any gunshop there, swipe my card, and walk out the door with a new Glock in 40 S&W and an AR-15, just like I do in Idaho. I don't think so... | |||
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You got me there! I should have said "more sensible than Australia"! But then I think NZ is that in many ways, including Rubgy  Well, the men's All Blacks, not the women's in Rio  DRSS | |||
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But who would live in the USA when one could live in Australia or NZ! | |||
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BTW the Kiwis had better keep their guard up, no doubt they will experience severe pressure to 'toe the line' with gun control nutters in the future. It is inevitable and people are weak and forget to be vigilante. There is always some parasite control mad politician waiting like a vulture to exploits sad events and stupid people who can't remember past yesterday nor think beyond tomorrow when events happen. NZ in blessed by not having the historical convict mentality of many of the bureaucrats, police and government here and the attitudes this mentality spawns. But control freaks just need to look to Aust or the UK or elsewhere to get the same inspiration. | |||
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The differance between us and Australia as far as gun laws go is we have managed to stay away from the knee-jerk reaction to events. To the point that our police firearms boffins attended a symposium in Aussie several years back , and walked out after the first morning because there was nothing of any benefit to us in the procedings. Plus we gave you that idiot Phillip Alpers , with his honourary degree in stupid , to annoy your citizens because he didnt make any headway in his private vendetta here. Australian gunlaws will always be at the mercy of the urban dwelling politicians because your rural population is too small now to carry any political clout. But it wont matter were you live , firearms laws will get increasingly tougher as time goes on. ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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NitroX, ummmm, me for one. Still the best country in the world if you value personal freedoms. | |||
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I often hear the statement that NZ pay is shit or doesn't compare with our cousins across the ditch in Oz. You have to compare tax rates and other costs of living to get a fair comparison. Oz seems to go from boom to bust when relying on mineral resources to provide for a greater part of their economy and their more extreme climate brings devastating drought and bush fires which hurt the economy too. Plenty of Kiwis head to Oz to make their fortune but quickly return when the shit hits the fan as it has now with a down turn in mineral returns and jobs. Kiwis that get a good education and work hard have good standards of living here in NZ with all outdoor areas for sport including fishing and hunting relatively open and free and easy to get to and yes our firearms laws are probably the best in the world. Under our Firearms Act provided you are a fit and proper person, i.e. do not have a mental illness or history of violence or other serious offending you cannot be refused a firearm licence. Vast tracts of public land, National Parks and Forest parks all over NZ are freely available for hunting, you issue yourself a permit online at no cost. Here in NZ we have a very good Accident Compensation system (a Government Corporation) paid for in our taxes although it also makes huge money from investment in it's own right so often the ACC portion in our taxes and vehicle registration reduce. This is a blame free system giving free medical care, free ambulance including helicopter evac etc. to all who suffer accidents, work or non work related and vehicle related. Also pays wages when off work and other benefits including counselling costs for abuse victims etc., etc. Because this is a no fault system you cannot sue anyone for accidental injury so eliminates a lot of this ridiculous suing for damages that seems endemic in the USA and many other counties, our Lawyers starve ha ha So taking into account these sorts of benefits it doesn't just come down to a wage rate or salary as a measure of the standard of living of our country. Oh just about forgot, I dangled one foot in the grave the other day when I signed up for our universal pension. Despite carrying on working and earning my full salary, as of next month I will receive the full retirement pension until the other foot gets in the grave. Have to pay tax on it but no more than the rate I pay on the upper portion of my salary now. I'm certainly not baling out of NZ anytime soon - and we don't have snakes too, god it's great in our bush not having to watch every step.  | |||
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But what about the diesel price/tax You have seen me around the net enough to know that NZ is num 2 for me after home so i`m not bagging yuz btw. Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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Cheaper to own a petrol vehicle here - the road user charges on diesels and the extra purchase price wipe out any benefits there might have been. ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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I think you have pretty much summed up why I too won't leave this wonderful country | |||
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Americans often say things like that, and I know they believe it, and I sometimes wonder what they mean exactly. What personal freedoms do you have in the United States that we don't have here? Honestly curious. I struggle to think of something I can't do, that you might be able to do in Idaho? | |||
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Handguns? Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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As eagle points out, a universal pension scheme is a great thing. Here in Aust, we used to have universal pensions. Then because of gov't wastage, parasitical excessive numbers of public servants, now the people that actually pay the taxes, the most taxes all their lives, generally blow huge amounts of their incomes on tax, then are denied a pension when they require. The parasites living off the public tit all their lives, pay little taxes, get the pension .... It should be a universal contributions only scheme nowadays irrespective of whether the recipitent is the PM, a High Court Judge, a public servant, a business man, a office worker or a labourer. And as for parasites all their lives on the dole and welfare, well they have had their "pension" up front so can work when they are seventy instead ... | |||
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No, we got them. Looking forward to getting my first 1911. Half the people I know have got into the AR15 craze too, so no problem there either, not like in Australia. You used to be only able to get like three different flavours of ice cream, but that was back in the 1970's...that was the problem with living on an island in the middle of the Pacific. I just cant think what personal freedoms we might be short of. | |||
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What are the rules there on concealed carry or open carry? Can you walk down the street with a pistol on your hip? How about in your pocket? It can be done in the usa, but there are usually a bunch of rules and exceptions depending where you are. Like no guns in places that sell ethanol, or the post office for example. What about suppressors there? Here it's a big deal. You can get them but it means a big tax, fingerprints, forms, waiting, permission from the local police, etc. What is driving like there? Here you can buy a car, then you have to register it at the dmv which involves a bunch of paperwork on the car, prove of your existence and residence, proof that the car is insured, pay sales tax on the car (no matter how many times the car has changed hands), and in most places proof that the car has passed an emissions and "safety" inspection. Then to drive you need the car, registration, insurance, and a driver's license. The license again requires proof of residence, existence, fingerprints, driving test, vision test, etc. How many cops do you have there? I usually see at least a dozen a day when I'm out and about. It feels a lot like a police state here (my opinion). What are the rules on drugs and ethanol like there? Here, when prohibition was repealed they changed the sign on the offices to DEA and kept going. Drinking age is 18, except I think all the states have it at 21, and most small towns can't sell on sundays. I would be curious to hear your opinion on things like this. I haven't traveled a lot, but it seems to me that chanting "freedom" here is more dogma than anything. Particularly when some supposedly bad countries that we have defeated in war enjoy more freedoms than we do. Why is the speed limit on the 2 lane paved highway 3 miles outside of town 25MPH and why do I have no say in the matter? | |||
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The simple answer is no you cant walk down the street with a pistol. Or any firearm for that matter, unless you have good purpose. I.E taking it to a gunshop/gunsmith. Pistols have tighter regulations and you can only use them at certain places. Suppressors, there are no regulations around. Want a suppressor, go get one. We have a simple licensing system that require a very basic knowledge of gun safety, proof of suitable storage ( a locked cupboard will suffice) and a basic background check that involves you nominating a friend with a gun licence and a family member or someone who lives with you to be interviewed to check on your mental health and fitness to possess firearms. If you pass the test, you are considered safe to own a gun, and they dont care how many you own. The main thing is that you are safe. You can defend yourself by any appropriate method, but if you kill someone( your attacker) in the process you will go through the system to determine if it was justifiable. Self defence is not a legitimate reason to own a gun. The system works, we are in top 25 nations re gun ownership, and towards the bottom re gun crime. Buying a car. You go buy the car, then notify the Land transport agency of your residence, The cars licence plate number and make etc, drivers licence No and name, either at a post office or online. takes two miniutes. You have to pay registration fees and each year, and the car has to pass a road safety test each year or 6 months depending on vehicle. We have 0 year licences and you have to pass eye test for them. Drinking, you have to be over 18 to buy, but can drink younger with your parents. Can drink in a car as long as you are under the limit. Not advisable though as you will get checked if you are seen. pretty strict on drugs including Marijuana. | |||
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I might add to what shankspony has said. We have 10 year drivers licences (not 0 years, a typo) and they cost just over NZ$40 to renew, just done mine and no more cost for renewing other endorsements such as to drive the heaviest rig on the road, earth-movers etc. Our firearms licences are also for 10 years and don't cost much to renew. We can go online and issue ourselves FREE hunting permits to hunt every tract of public land in NZ, Forest Parks, National Parks, reserves etc, with very few restrictions. If you know anything about NZ, about the land size of England or old West Germany with only about 4 million people, you can imagine how much public administered land we have available. Our Police are largely unarmed in terms of personal carry although have access to firearms locked up in their vehicles and do carry them openly in some situations e.g. Airports. I have found them most approachable although I found with the same with the Police when I spent some time in West Germany even though they often carried sub-machine guns as well as their sidearms. Certainly a more relaxed atmosphere when conversing with Police who are not openly carrying. We do not have State systems like many other countries so our Police are a one National force, our drivers licence, firearms licence, gamebird and freshwater fishing licences are all National so the one licence in any of the categories accesses all of NZ. No separate state laws but we do have local government bylaws (city and borough councils)as most countries do. I think we are pretty close to living in paradise, and may it continue so. | |||
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old dart 50,346 mi² a little slice of heaven 103,483 mi² Posts: 87 | Location: Victoria Australia | Registered: 07 September 2002 | |||
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