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It's interesting that the 7 X 64 is one of the most popular cartridges used in Europe.
Yet they are scarce in New Zealand.

I have a barrel for my Blaser in 7 X 64 and must admit it is a very effective round on NZ game.
Relative light recoil and on standard loads only 200 fps less than 7mm Rem Mag.

I just wander why it hasn't taken off down here??
Ammo almost impossible to find in NZ stores.

Very similar to the Remington 280. Which also is not popular in NZ.

About ten years ago the 7x64 made a big debut in the USA. Ruger offered it in the M77. Remington offered it in the Model 700ADL. Weatherby also offered it in one of their bolt actions. In accordance with Remington policy, Remington offered ammunition in two bullet weights. Speer offered the ammunition in its Silver line. Federal added it to their Premium line. Availability of 7x64 ammunition from Norma and S&B suddenly increased. All together, there was quite a selection of factory loaded ammunition for a while. But the 7x64 didn't get the attention some would have hoped and it didn't catch on. Manufacturers stopped making the rifles and factory ammunition all but dried up.

Recently, I think there has been some interest in the 7x65R. This may be attributable to an increase in attention and availability of low cost double rifles. I think that the 7x65R would be a hit in the USA if Thompson and other low cost single shot makers offered the barrels. It's a great round. As interest grows in the 7x65R, perhaps interest in the 7x64 will follow. Or maybe this will just be another flash in the pan.

7x64 among 9.3x62 are the one of best world cartidges ever designed,problem is in USA because they are ignored by MAGNUMITIS desease,and long range hunting what is proving animal = target

The .270 ruined it for the 7x64.

MMMMM.. where do I find a 180gr bullet for a .270???

In the USA it is ignored because even though the 7x64 is older the 280 has always had a bigger foot hold if you needed a 7mm for something that wasn't a 7mm Magnum.

Owning a 7x64 in America would not be without difficulty, especially if you were 500 miles from home and forgot the ammo.

In most of Europe it would be easy to find it anywhere.

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Originally posted by TrackersNZ:
MMMMM.. where do I find a 180gr bullet for a .270???

Woodleigh make a Protected Point in 180 grains for the .270. Probably need a .270 Weatherby to stabilise it though.

quote:

Originally posted by TrackersNZ:
MMMMM.. where do I find a 180gr bullet for a .270???

Better question, Why in NZ do you need a 180gr bullet?
There was still a fair amount of anti "european" feeling in NZ at the time people started looking for alturnatives to the 303, and it was American alturnatives they chose. .222, .308 and the .270 were most popular.

almost the same as a 280 remington

I would have thought the main reason was marketing. The real reason we have mostly American caliber rifles here is because we have a network of marketers for those rifles.

If we had had the good fortune to have some keen company earlier on who imported Euro calibers with reliable backup then we probably would have more of those European calibers today.

Either that or no respecable person wants to associate with someone who can only count to 7 .....

quote:

Originally posted by lickilovac:
7x64 among 9.3x62 are the one of best world cartidges ever designed,problem is in USA because they are ignored by MAGNUMITIS desease,and long range hunting what is proving animal = target

+1
Two superb rounds IMO.

You may have to be registered to read from this link hence the copy/paste re 180`s in 270

http://forums.nitroexpress.com...arch=true#Post159570

Woodleigh .277” 180gr PP SN Bullet Test

Woodleigh Bullets of Murrabit, Victoria are well known to most deer hunters in Australia… as well as many owners of larger classic calibre rifles worldwide.

They manufacture a variety of bullet diameters and weights in three main types: Protected point Soft Nose (PPSN) Round Nose Soft Nose (RNSN) and Full Metal Jacket (FMJ).

In addition to their recent release of a 240gr Protected Point (PPSN) .308” bullet specifically designed for the .30-06, Woodleigh have also released a 180gr .277” PP bullet designed for .270 calibre rifles. These include the .270 Win, the .270 WSM and the .270 Weatherby Magnum.

When I first looked at the 180gr samples I was struck by their extreme length when compared to a standard 130gr .277 bullet. At nearly 35mm, they tower over the standard weight bullet!



With a Sectional Density (SD) of .334 and a Ballistic Coefficient (BC) of .513, I immediately thought of the extreme penetration of the 173gr RN FMJ used by Bell on nearly all his 1,011 elephants in his .275 Rigby (7x57mm doesn’t sound half as classy!)

Before I conduct any new bullet testing, I like to section them to ‘see how they tick’ .



With this new bullet, Woodleigh has erred on the side of safety with regard to jacket thickness… it is just over 1mm thick at the base!

Of course no bullet with a jacket that thick would ever expand on soft skinned game like deer, so Woodleigh has strategically weakened the front one third of the jacket to around 0.3mm, and provided six ‘petals’



Load data on the 180gr bullet was initially hard to come by, so I worked up some for my Sako L61R .270 Win using Alliant Reloder 22… I settled on 52.5gr for a muzzle velocity of 2579 fps.

With a standard barrel twist for the .270 Win of 1:10” I was concerned about whether such a long bullet would stabilise properly… while the accuracy of ~40mm at 100m was acceptable for a hunting rifle I ran out of samples before I could really experiment with different seating depths and their effect on accuracy.

Two loads were eventually listed on the ADI website:
AR2213SC
Starting load 47gr at 2358fps
Max load 50.5gr at 2501 fps

AR2217
Starting load 50gr at 2404 fps
Max load 54gr at 2540 fps

I also sent five samples to (9.3x57) who has wide experience in evaluating bullets in his standard test media (similar the The Box’O’Truth on the web)

The standard test media is:

1 1/2 inch thick piece of CDX plywood {sheathing grade plywood} followed by 1 US Gallon polyethylene plastic milk jug filled with water, this pair then repeated with the line pressed together firmly. A US gallon milk jug is about 5 3/4 inches thick.



Test load was 53 grains H4831SC (ADI 2213SC) with a CCI 200 primer in a PMP for 2607fps
(Warning: over ADI/Hodgson maximum recommended load).

The bullet penetrated three boards and two milk jugs, and was found inside the third jug.
Expansion was .67”/.59” and recovered bullet weight 147 grains for 82% retention.

As (9.3x57) says:
“Wow what expansion and it makes my son and I grind our teeth at Winchester for not standardizing the .270 with a 1/8 twist!!
This would be a superb combination in a tight twist rifle, a sort of 6.5x55mm Big Brother...with long heavy-for-caliber bullet at the upper edge of "moderate" velocity. I like it.”



With such impressive penetration, expansion and weight retention in a tough test media the Woodleigh 180gr .277" bullet greatly increases the effectiveness of .270 class of rifles on heavier game. I like it too…

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Re: Woodleigh .277" 180gr Projectile Review [Re: TilleyMan]
#159588 - 04/28/10 09:08 AM
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Another great review.

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Re: Woodleigh .277" 180gr Projectile Review [Re: tophet1]
#161883 - 06/11/10 09:12 PM
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Does anyone know of a barrel maker who'll do a 1 in 8 twist in 270?

I'm off the check the Border Barrels website here in the UK, but it's not as if we have anything here that would merit a 180 grain bullet ... except perhaps the boar we now have here in the South of England. Something to thank Sir Paul McCartney for, as its said that some of the original stock escaped from his land.