More dangerous?
gets you more bang for the buck if you could only hunt one of them?
provides the greatest hunting challenge?

good points and bad points of both the buff and the hunts?

Also what does the average buff hunt go for in Aus?

Cape Buff for the bragging rights,Aussie for the location.

mate, i have hunted both, and the cape buff win absolutly hand down!!!!
the water buff of northern australia has nothing going for it as a game animal, other than length of horns and big body size, the water buff is like shooting a domestic cow in my opinion.
On the other hand, the CAPE Buff of africa is a true game animal, hard to hunt ,hard to kill, Dangerous and a magnificent challenge in tuerms of having a true hunting experience. I have opportunities to hunt water buff for free here in Australia, yet do not rate it as a hunting experience compared with the REAL BUFF in AFRICA.

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water buff is like shooting a domestic cow

you got rite there
altho...... the water buff is still unpredictable and CAN be quite dangerous. where they can they will charge and do as much damage as possable.
ozzie buffs dont have to protect themselves and the herd from the likes of lions etc.... so there not so agro, and there eye sight aint so flash. so a quiet stalk down wind isnt to hard.
dosent meen its not enjoyable.
greg

Scruffy and NitroX have both killed Cape and water buffalo but are both in Africa now

I have hunted Water Buffalo in Australia just a few weeks ago,i find the bulls to be very cocky and had no real fear of humans,i got a few on video at about 20-30 yards,they could see me and did not really care,but put one or more bullets into them and they get very pissed off.

To answer your question i'm going to need to go to Africa,what a shame

if you need to use the word hunt with water buffulo its stretching the truth a bit, its more like shooting, and then is not to far behind shooting cows in a paddock
if you want to hunt , try hunting SAMBAR!...thats hunting
daniel

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Originally posted by M 98:
if you need to use the word hunt with water buffulo its stretching the truth a bit, its more like shooting, and then is not to far behind shooting cows in a paddock
if you want to hunt , try hunting SAMBAR!...thats hunting
daniel

AMEN

i second that

i'd rather hunt wild cattle beasts here than shoot water buffulo from what i have seen they are no challange at all to shoot

each to there own i guess

An interesting question and while it may be easy to sit back and sneer (at whatever choice that you don't make ... ) .. I doubt if the answer is all that easy ... The dugga boys that I have hunted in the Zambezi Valley were wilder than snakes .. Something was always trying to kill them since forever ... probably every damn day of their long lives (for a prey species) they had to be vigilant and often run for their lives ...Mix that with thick bush ... swirling winds ... dry leaves on the ground ... and the off chance that one would come boiling up out of somewhere for some (real to them) obscure reason and stomp you into people paste ... Certainly that was sporting .. addictive (to the goofy big game hunter, often)... and no one that I know despises a cape buffalo as a worthy animal to hunt ... I have watched videos of folks hunting water buffalo on open flood plains ... if they had been frickin' snow leopards the outcome would have been the same ... I (and Top Predator) hunted them in remote East Arnhemland ... there were no fences .. no other hunters .. apparently the aborigines there do not care for the meat of them so being coastal folks they seem to mostly leave them alone .. while the cows were wilder than snakes too ... the big bulls (with little hunting pressure .. and not a tiger on the radar scope ... ) often were not all that keen on getting out of Dodge .. and sometimes would come calling to check us out .. I would never never put them down for this ... and I'm sure that given the chance .. they would be only too happy to crush anyone that gave them a problem ... no one ever talks about the danger of water buffalo in South America and I came within a second of being killed by one a few years ago .. No cape buffalo could have come faster or tried harder ... My lowly opinion ... hunt the cape buffalo .. experience beautiful Africa a few times .. and then go to a remote part of Oz .. and shoot a water buffalo too ... if nothing else .. it'll be great when all those clowns come into your home and say, ' Look at the nice water buffalo !' and you can take the dumb SOB around the corner and point out what a real water buffalo looks like !!! Oh, yeah ... if you make that ridiculously long flight to Oz .. (at least from the Great White North ...) a sambar hunt sounds pretty darn good, too !!!

Scruffy your back,we need details

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Originally posted by LAWCOP

Also what does the average buff hunt go for in Aus?

It will come down to how bigger head your want,about $5000US all in would get you a good bull.

There is no speed limit in the N.T which was a highlight of the trip for me,much closer than Germany.

SOME OF the reasons I was thinking of coming to Aussie land vs Africa are , language, even though you speak a different language than English... can probably make it out without an interpreter.

Sickness.. cmon, there are more diseases in AFrica thatn anywhere else on theplanet.

stability of location..
African politics seem to have interesting situations on a daily basis.

etc etc...
THe only "foreign" country I have hunted so far is Canada for moose caribou deer and bear, ducks geese ptarmigan...
so my world wide travel is limited although I have a wealth of 3rd world experience..( was was a ghetto cop for 20 years )

do oz first then get if your game go do africa
oz will be easer to handle for those things you mentioned above
greg

I enjoy hunting both.

I have only taken a single cape buffalo and while I hunted them at the end of August did not fire a shot at any. We were primarily hunting elephant. Only found a single herd of buffalo of about sixty animals and managed to cut in front of the herd six times to assess it well with no hard bosses found. Hunted cape buffalo successfully the last time about four years ago.

Water buffalo are fun to hunt as well. Perhaps less wary than cape buffalo as they are not harrassed as much by poachers, hunters, lions etc. However note we still managed to cut in front of a herd of cape buff SIX times to within forty yards and more than once were being directly eye-balled without the animals recognizing us.

Water buffalo in Arnhemland may not have seen a hunter in their lives and may not be as wary. I have hunted them where they have been hard hunted as well and they showed similar wariness to humans as cape buffalo, running off if they sighted you at ranges of many hundreds of metres.

I have also in the past approached cape buffalo herds in parks with nothing but a camera and also had the herd just stand and watch me, before eventually running off.

Water bufalo are probably similar to put down to cape buffalo.

They both show a certain level of curiousity. Both make nice trophies on the wall.

The incidence of deaths from cape buffalo are probably due to statistically they being hunted by far more hunters in number and also the much much higher human populations living in the same environs in Africa.

Travel is very easy in Australia and as mentioned without needing innoculations, anti-malarial tablets, being 'molested' by "warvets", dealing with corrupt bureaucrats trying to rob you, finding game numbers are decimated due to poaching etc as can be the case in many parts of Africa.

Hunting in close proximity to elephants and lions is definitely plus in Africa, however.

Hunt both if you can!

Never hunted either but have been in close proximity to water buff in the wild whilst pig hunting . Got my adrenalin pumping anyway .
A guy was killed by one of these "domestic cows" in the NT when I was up there last year (and he wasn't out hunting) .
Some hunts are easy , some are hard . I suspect that one easy hunt doesn't necessarily make an entire species a pushover .

I only killed water buffalo ,hundreds some of them with the colaboration of my dogos so i experimenting a lot of charges ,of course a lot of the buffalos i killed were shooted first by clients but here two old PHS with a lot of experience including Cape Buffalo were severly injured by Water Buffalo.Juan