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As the originator of this thread would prefer if it is not deleted, Don  Mickey did indeed delete his own post but the original post was less political than his parting comment. A strange substitute to lock a thread on the strength of.  I've included my reply at the bottom of the thread. Karl. ------------------------------------------------------------- Deleted. I had hoped that the topic would be discussed and not the issue of whether or not it should be here or there. Since that is not the case I will delete it. As a last word, from me anyway. If Aussies and Kiwis would be involved with poitics and not wash your hands with a 'Pox upon thee' attitude perhaps things wouldn't be quite as screwed up as you all seem to believe. -------------------- ~Mickey I spent most of my money on Hunting, fishing and Women. The rest I just wasted. Edited by Mickey1 (09/30/04 01:41 AM) Post Extras: muzza one of us Reged: 05/13/02 Posts: 993 Loc: Eltham , New Zealand Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Mickey1] #799803 - 09/29/04 05:30 AM Edit Reply Quote At risk of appearing intolerant or unfriendly towards either Australia or the USA , this post is not in an appropriate forum . It should be in the Political Forum with all the other flow-over US Election rantings. The fact that an election is forthcoming in Australia is fine , but this is not the forum for purely political discussion on any subject , much less one angled toward the US presidential Elections . There are more than enough of those posts in other forums to satisfy the urges of politically inspired people. No apologies to you if you disagree , post a hunting thread instead and we will all be happy. -------------------- I support two teams - New Zealand and anyone playing Australia Post Extras: Mickey1 one of us Reged: 08/12/02 Posts: 2021 Loc: Wishing I was beyond Hope and ... Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: muzza] #799888 - 09/29/04 06:53 AM Edit Reply Quote Muzza I didn't post this for the American slant but for the Australian one. I find it interesting that an American Candidate would send an emmissary to an ally in an attempt to influence their election. I was hoping to get some well thought out responses rather than the usual tripe on the Political Forum. I also hoped to get some input from people who don't frequent that area. If yours is the prevalent view I have no problem removing it or Bakes can if he sees a need. -------------------- ~Mickey I spent most of my money on Hunting, fishing and Women. The rest I just wasted. Post Extras: Karl one of us Reged: 06/03/00 Posts: 1779 Loc: Brisbane, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Mickey1] #799955 - 09/29/04 07:43 AM Edit Reply Quote I'd say if this thread goes then so do 80% of the posts on this forum. Not too mention a very recent long running shitslinging contest on another thread that had nothing whatsoever to do with hunting. Then again some people may want that gone themselves Karl. Post Extras: Bakes one of us Reged: 01/25/01 Posts: 2528 Loc: Katherine,NT, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Karl] #800001 - 09/29/04 08:16 AM Edit Reply Quote Although its not hunting related, alot of post on this and other forums arn't either. Trev's post is an example, and I think thats a good thing. If people want to reply thats up to them as long as it's kept civil. If it turns into a shit fight, I won't hesitate in moving it to the political forum. -------------------- Only the good die young......I'm going to live to be a thousand! Post Extras: Karl one of us Reged: 06/03/00 Posts: 1779 Loc: Brisbane, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Karl] #800004 - 09/29/04 08:18 AM Edit Reply Quote Mickey getting back to the topic. The funniest thing is the Australian angle in the story, a country who rarely distinguishes between our own lying puppets on display, let alone someone elses I think if Kerry and Bush were to retire tomorrow it would make big news for maybe half a day here. A full day if you threw Howard in too. Karl. Post Extras: Karl one of us Reged: 06/03/00 Posts: 1779 Loc: Brisbane, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Karl] #800021 - 09/29/04 08:36 AM Edit Reply Quote Bakes in that we already have on this forum, Irrelavent posts Blatant racism. Constant foul language Pornography. Nazi viewpoints Treasonous comments. Long immature exchanges. and Insults. What exactly do you class as a 'shitfight worthy of moderation'? Karl. Post Extras: Bakes one of us Reged: 01/25/01 Posts: 2528 Loc: Katherine,NT, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Karl] #800035 - 09/29/04 09:00 AM Edit Reply Quote Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Irrelavent posts Blatant racism. Constant foul language Pornography. Nazi viewpoints Treasonous comments. Long immature exchanges. and Insults. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep not bad hey! But GENERALLY (not always)its tounge in cheek. What I would not like to see happen is the worked up rantings that happens on the political forum. Now I know some people get worked up over politics, god knows why, but Mickey posted the topic in good faith and I think if anybody wants to discuss it they can do so. The last thing I want to do is start moving any posts as that would just lead to some friction and it just won't end. Next I'll be getting asked to move this and move that. So again if you have no interest in the topic then don't open it. -------------------- Only the good die young......I'm going to live to be a thousand! Post Extras: muzza one of us Reged: 05/13/02 Posts: 993 Loc: Eltham , New Zealand Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Mickey1] #800044 - 09/29/04 09:21 AM Edit Reply Quote Mickey , I certainly dont disagree with you on the standard of posting in the Political forum , but I personally think that forum is where this subject should be . Karl , presumably I am part of the list of other dubious topics and posters you place in the same category as this one . Sometimes ( and often here ) subjects wander off on a tangent to the original direction , sometimes they turn into shitfights , sometimes we have to look at nude Bakes, or BAWs stomach but it is all in fun - well mostley . And sometimes people get far more serious and earnest than is necessary . The title of this forum is Australian and New Zealand Hunting - if you have a favourite Hunting a Politician story we would love to hear it , with photos if possible . I prefer topics that dont involve politics , but if the rest of the people here are inspired by , then so be it .I have stated my case , and have nothing further to add. -------------------- I support two teams - New Zealand and anyone playing Australia Post Extras: JohnCharlieNoak one of us Reged: 02/02/04 Posts: 1027 Loc: Parma, Idaho Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: muzza] #800051 - 09/29/04 09:33 AM Edit Reply Quote Hey Muzza, It was either this or another shot of Bakes' ass. You make the call. JCN Post Extras: IHaveBigBores new member Reged: 09/28/04 Posts: 10 Loc: Canberra, ACT, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: muzza] #800056 - 09/29/04 09:41 AM Edit Reply Quote I have to disagree sorry Muzza, hunting is about the most politcal sport I know of, think about it, when your hunting, apart from the obvious (the animal your about to kill or the firearm you are using to do the job), what do you talk about with your friends? If you are anything like anyone I've ever been hunting with then it's politics. Why? Because we are one of the politicians main points of attack so they become one of our main points of attack. Pat Post Extras: milosmate one of us Reged: 11/24/01 Posts: 198 Loc: Christchurch,New Zealand Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: muzza] #800088 - 09/29/04 10:48 AM Edit Reply Quote I agree with Muzza, keep the politics in the political forum. -------------------- Power is a poor substitute for accuracy Post Extras: Karl one of us Reged: 06/03/00 Posts: 1779 Loc: Brisbane, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: muzza] #800123 - 09/29/04 12:27 PM Edit Reply Quote Muzza, You seem very sensitive about political discussions. Has something happened recently to give you this aversion. For example there might be a great many hunters out there who would rather their young ones read a "heated political rant" between pissed off adults rather than a thread full of porn, beastiality connotations etc even if they are 'tongue in cheek'. What about all the kids logging on to learn about another country. What sort of ambassador are you guys? Personally I don't care- the snot nosed little rats can fuck off if they don't like it. However there is no case for picking on one other area say politics etc except whether or not you 'personally don't like it'. Bakes hit the nail on the head when he said he cannot actually stop what is posted here since 'it would never end'. And uttered the wise words of AR's success"If you don't like the subject don't open it". So all I want to know is what you guys are doing adding size to the type of thread you say has no place here? Karl. Post Extras: muzza one of us Reged: 05/13/02 Posts: 993 Loc: Eltham , New Zealand Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Karl] #800137 - 09/29/04 01:29 PM Edit Reply Quote No pal , nothing has happened to put me off "political" discussions , except few of them every reach a useful conclusion , and even less so when the argument becomes more about who has the most facts or can spout the most figures. Some fights arent worth it , and political fights fall exactly into that category from my perspective. This discussion isnt a political discussion , its about the appropriatness of the subject on this forum. And in that respect we , as well as you , are adding to the futility of the thread . -------------------- I support two teams - New Zealand and anyone playing Australia Post Extras: rugeruser one of us Reged: 05/02/02 Posts: 493 Loc: Sydney, New South Wales, Austr... Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: JohnCharlieNoak] #800138 - 09/29/04 01:40 PM Edit Reply Quote I'm with Muzza - the title of this forum is 'Australian and New Zealand Hunting' - not politics. Maybe Saeed can start another forum titled 'Australian and New Zealand Politics' to satisfy the needs of those who wish to make their political inclinations and feelings known. And to add to thepoint, when I'm with my hunting mates, we rarely discuss the political stuff - too many conflicting interests. As my Dad used to say, getting involved in discussions about politics and religion only ever brings about one thing - opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one. -------------------- "Great minds deal in ideas, average minds deal in facts, and substandard minds deal in personalities" Post Extras: jbderunz one of us Reged: 08/23/04 Posts: 59 Loc: France, Alsace, Saverne Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Mickey1] #800139 - 09/29/04 01:46 PM Edit Reply Quote Dear Mickey1 Greetings from France. I share your opinions as the majority of the intelligent and hard-working French Ill loose my voice repeating � don�t mistake the French and their politicians�. It�s the first time that France don�t join the allies. Why ? Because like Germany, France is stone-broke. We support J Howard and G. Bush Jean B -------------------- Better than hunting ? could be boasting and lying around the fire. Jean B. de Runz Post Extras: milosmate one of us Reged: 11/24/01 Posts: 198 Loc: Christchurch,New Zealand Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Karl] #800141 - 09/29/04 01:57 PM Edit Reply Quote What about all the kids logging on to learn about another country. What sort of ambassador are you guys? Personally I don't care- the snot nosed little rats can fuck off if they don't like it. However there is no case for picking on one other area say politics etc except whether or not you 'personally don't like it'. So all I want to know is what you guys are doing adding size to the type of thread you say has no place here Good Evening Karl! Well to the above quotes I will comment on. I can't see where YOU get off being an Ambassador for your country speaking like that . Maybe some young budding hunter reads your second quote and thinks this the way Im meant to talk! or Act. As to adding size to the thread Karl, its a free World , Free FORUM whether you like it or not, I for myself was just stating my opinion which I think I'am intitled to do here. -------------------- Power is a poor substitute for accuracy Post Extras: Easy_Rollins new member Reged: 09/28/04 Posts: 1 Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: milosmate] #800176 - 09/29/04 04:18 PM Edit Reply Quote "Irrelavent posts Blatant racism. Constant foul language Pornography. Nazi viewpoints Treasonous comments. Long immature exchanges. and Insults" This is just from the Kiwis BTW Jean,nobody likes a crawler. -------------------- Regards,Shaun. The artist formally known as Far Canal. Post Extras: darwinmauser one of us Reged: 08/17/04 Posts: 33 Loc: Humpty Doo NT Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: jbderunz] #800183 - 09/29/04 04:37 PM Edit Reply Quote You support John dubya Howard ?? Most aussies wish he would crawl back under his rock! Post Extras: Karl one of us Reged: 06/03/00 Posts: 1779 Loc: Brisbane, Australia Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: muzza] #800771 - 09/30/04 04:21 AM Edit Reply Quote Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and even less so when the argument becomes more about who has the most facts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To clarify Muzza you feel discussions are lessened by facts? Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some fights aren't worth it , and political fights fall exactly into that category from my perspective. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So why do you continually post on them? Are you in full control of yourself or not? Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This discussion isnt a political discussion , its about the appropriatness of the subject on this forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm just wondering who posted this a couple of days ago on this forum... "Still , at least the one thing about living in a democracy is that you are "free". Like - free to leave any time you want and go help the millions of impoverished people in the world. Your choice . However ( theres always one of them ) I suspect that you would be better off trying to change the mindset of the rulers of those impoverished nations to stop spending money on weaponry to subjugate the people , and spend the same money on education and agriculture so that those same people can feed and clothe themselves . Course , it will never happen because you cant be in charge if you dont have the biggest gun or the biggest army . That is called tribalism , and tribalism is what those impoverished nations call government . It will take generations of new government to change the mindset of those populations , corruption and graft are ingrained so deeply that change is not going to happen very fast , but until that change occurrs in the mindset of the rulers no good will come out of it for joe average" Quite political I thought. One of many non hunting subects you have posted on including the media,law polls, religion etc. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And in that respect we , as well as you , are adding to the futility of the thread . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So to summarise Muzza,you are on a thread about politics saying it is futile for you to be on it, maintain politics is not an appropriate subject whilst making long political posts on other threads, and generally prefer to steer away from discussions that are lessened by too many facts. Karl. Reged: 02/27/01 Posts: 1751 Loc: New England USA Re: The Art Of Losing Friends [Re: Karl] #800840 - 09/30/04 05:32 AM Edit Reply Quote Since the originator of the thread deleted his post to stop the discourse, I have locked the thread. Don ------------------------------------------------------------ Mickey, I would actually agree. You will notice a lot of acts are allowed in our society that would make a WW1 veteran blush or spit in disgust. 'Having a laugh'is the way Aussies deal with the crap we are now being served more and more often. Seriousness, awareness and anger are being bred out and are the height of innappropriateness and abberent behaviour. You notice on this forum the same thing occurs. The list of things we do here already looks pretty strange alongside a wish to suddenly ban a political debate, of which another two are going on separate threads anyway.... Karl. | ||
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Quote: Is this the first time a thread has been locked in this (Australian And New Zealand Hunting) forum ? I'm amazed . According to one poster we have Irrelavent posts Blatant racism. Constant foul language Pornography. Nazi viewpoints Treasonous comments. Long immature exchanges. and Insults. And the post was locked because of the top excuse. WTF | |||
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You guys want it open again, fine. I thought I was respecting the wishes of the original poster. It's open. Have fun. Don | |||
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Hippy hunter, the explanation is as Bakes made it clear that all of the above are allowed as long as it is within 'his personal definition of light heartedness'. If he makes one comment about Australia in a certain light, we can make a similar comment too. Any posts upsetting people or even retaliating to others posts in a serious manner are out, unless he is the one making them. He may say he invites or expects flak...whilst locking the thread straight after. Last but not least,he'll take a stand when it all goes to far....once another moderator did first. Karl. P.S Legal disclaimer- For the purposes of not upsetting others this post was "Tongue In Cheek" pursuant to code 1123 "Antis who own guns" and "Australians who don't want any trouble". | |||
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