Guys,

I hope that I havent stirred up too much shit with my question, and I certainly would not risk losing my guns by having in my possesion something that was illegal, my sport means way too much to me to risk it on having something that is not only illegal but also has no apparent use in sporting applications, well I must admit I miss my auto shotties on the foxes and such.
BTW did you know that it is illegal to have ammuntion for a calibre of weapon that you do not have a licence for?(Victoria) how many people would be caught out with that one? I mean for example if you sell a rifle and have some ammo left over, even one round it is deemed illegal

True, true;
That's why the government has dipshits running the show!

For example, if you want to purchase anything "black powder" the permit will be issued in 4-6 days. i.e 45/70 'Black powder cartridge' gun or even a 500 Black powder express! Try to licence 3-45/70's and there are questions 'why do you want more than 2 of the same?'
At the handgun confiscation centre I saw a shooter keep a 38/40 revolver without further endorsement because it is called a 38? They bought back his 44 & 45 revolvers.

Regarding the pistol ammo, it is only a matter of time before the first court case happens for having ammo for which you don't have a gun! I'm covered because I got Win 92's in the same calibres.

Choppa
I had a AAA 223 unreg which I handed in.
Thought process: If I keep it what can I do with it, can't risk being seen using it (no mistaking black military look)only real answer was bury it- why would I want to bury it - so handed it in and got more than I paid for it.
Of the 13 firearms my father and I handed in, I only really miss the 12ga 11-87SP Rem.
We had a 742 Premier(custom shop) REM in 308 and a 1100 Premier(custom shop) REM 12ga, only got $13000 for the pair, Raytrade told us the replacemnet value wholesale was $10000 each
I took the 1100 to buy back centre and they wanted to pay $1800 for it, so had to go to the valuation centre.

How do the cartridge collectors get around the only allowed ammo is for guns you have licensed?

it comes down to what category license you hold as to what ammo you can posess. For example, one could not posess a cat' A license only, (rimfire and shotgun) and have a collection of centrefire rounds like 22.250,30'06,458 etc in thier posession. If you have a cat A & B license you can have ammo, properly stored of course, for any rimfire, centrefire and shotgun calibre/gauge, regardless of whether or not you own a rifle in such a calibre, the only exception would be if you were sitting on a few hundred boxes of M1 ammo!!! (.30 carbine that is!)

The advice you received about someone developing a grudge holds true. Been there, done that, bought the T shirt. Ex decided to divulge certain bits of info - created all sorts of problems. Guess what, found out certain bits of info about her new guy - did I keep it to myself? Nope!!

Be very careful about who you talk to - and I'm a reasonable person!!!!!!!!!!! Just couldn't resist the urge to get back at them!!

choppa, if you live on a farm or out in the sticks, keep it!! but if ya traveling from the city out to country and back.....you never know u might get caught and everything is gone!!!!!not worth it....fuck...these days they take everthing off ya!!up to you!! this gun would'nt be of the .22 type repeater would it???

Hi,
Illegal firearms are kept without any trouble in all countries of the world. Witness the amount of AK-47s that are handed in whenever a local police unit posts an amnesty in the UK...Basically, you hand it in if you feel like it...and THAT is why regulating small arms in the hands of civilians is virtually impossible.

Anger over jail sentence in the UK


January 6, 2004 22:09

ANGRY sisters of a Kesgrave man sentenced to a year in prison for the possession of firearms today launched a scathing attack on the justice system.

A former gun club member, Roderick Bestwick was sentenced to 12 months imprisonment after he admitted having an Enfield .303 rifle and a double-barrelled shotgun without a firearms certificate.

Police were alerted to the presence of the guns, which were stored in the garage of his Kesgrave home, after they received a tip-off from his ex-wife.

His sister Maureen Bestwick-Stevens, 67, who now lives in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, said: "We are disgusted with the penalty he's been given. They were antique guns and he said he did not even realise they were there. My brother is not a violent man."

In court, Mr Bestwick told magistrates he thought his wife had disposed of them during a gun amnesty and was not aware they were still in the garage.

Mrs Bestwick-Stevens, who moved to America in 1956, last saw her brother in May. She now fears he may never be able to visit her in the States again.

She said: "I try and come to England to see my family every year but now I'm retired it's not so easy. I was hoping he may be able to get out to visit me but with this kind of a charge against him, I'm not sure. They are so strict about these kinds of things over here."

Mr Bestwick's other sister, Bridget Webster, 63, of Stoke Park, Ipswich, was equally shocked at the sentence her brother received.

She said: "There are paedophiles out walking the streets and then my brother, who told the court he knew nothing about what he was supposed to have done, gets sent to prison for a year. It's disgusting.

"I think about my brother every day, locked up in there for 23 out of 24 hours.

"The worst thing is that he has been taken away from his two young children and he's missing them very badly."

The sisters are determined to clear their brother's name and have written to MP Chris Mole to ask for his assistance with the case.

Mrs Webster said: "We just don't know what to do. No-one seems to be listening to us.

"I just hope Roderick survives this. He puts on a brave face but he is being driven to the ground."

Prior to the '96 buyback, I owned a AAA .223 Carbine which was not registered as I was a member of the NRA and, therefore, it didn't need to be registered. So, when the buyback began I agonised over whether to hand it in as I hate the thought of those bastards chopping up my property. However, I did eventually hand it in as I realised that it was a huge risk to all of my firearms and my participation in the shooting sports. I don't think I could cope with not being able to shoot and I have a number of expensive hunting rifles (doubles and the like) so the risk was not worth it. While what the government has done with both buybacks is WRONG, unjust and senseless, I have cooperated to preserve my right to keep shooting, which is my number one priority (and when they ban shooting and guns completely, I will immigrate to where I can shoot).

I had an unregistered rifle too once, an SKK 7.62x39.

One day I didn't have time to clean it after a shoot and put it in the boot to clean it at my city house that evening. Went out that evening and the car was stolen. Was sitting in a cinema and believe it or not a message popped up on the screen (it was a smaller suburban cinema), saying I should report to the office. Went out and on the phone was my father-in-law telling me my car had been stolen but it had been found and they would come over and pick us up to get it.

Drove down to the slummy neighbourhood. The neighbours had spotted the car outside the fuckers house and knew the prick had stolen another car. Rang the police. The police rang the phone number of the registered owner and my Dad answered the phone at the farm. he rang my girlfriend's father who rang the cinema.

Anyway I was quite worried about the rifle. What if it was used in a crime or murder or ... ? Anyway the neighbours suddenly brought it out. It had been sitting in plain sight on the back seat and being good people took charge of it so the scum wouldn't have it. It very quickly went in a bag out of sight in the car.

Next morning the cops raided the house and arrested the coon bastard and his druggie mate that stole the car and robbed 5 houses and shops in the area where the cinema was. They stole the car to drive home and to sleep off the drugs and alcohol at their grandma's house (lucky woman ).

Being under age they probably got another slap on the wrist and were out in a month to rob more houses and steal more cars.

Seeing my potential problems righted almost immediately as a potential "Message From God" not to run the risk when the next amnesty came around I registered the SKK and a couple years or so later Jack Boot John Howard stole it this time.

Gentlemen: What a sad sad thread when it comes to freedom ...And fair play .. All the wars that the Australian men and women have fought in ... what the hell was it for ??? I'm a Canadian and our stupid country has spent about a billion dollars trying to register all the long guns in the country. 'Saving one life' is worth it they trumpet .. People don't usually get shot in this country .. I have absolutely no fear (and never have in my 50 + years) of having that happen - non registered shotgun or not .. But a billion dollars could be spent on -- for example breast cancer research .. and maybe save tens of thousands of women's lives .. Or on MRI's .. and save so many many lives because of early detection or whatever .. Instead we (Canucks and Australians) spend a fortune .. reliving and reenacting history's police states .. Hitler and Stalin must be laughing in hell ...

This is all very scary and ominous. You guys are all welcome here if it gets too bad but I fear it will eventually happen in the U.S. too. There's certainly no shortage of politicians and naive "citizens" who'd like to see things this way here too.

Good Lord...! Quite an object lesson for us. Moving to Alaska was a good decision...the legislature just last year passed, and the governor signed, a law allowing any citizen to carry a concealed weapon without registration or permit. So some few laws in the US are loosening up in favor of the citizenry. But there are many millions of morons in this country who very much want to follow the UK/Canada/Australia government restriction example.

I would love to visit Australia and New Zealand sometime...always seemed like great countries...hope you can maintain some degree of freedom.

I'm not very familiar with Australian politics, so this question might be naive: Is there any chance of having these laws repealed? Is there a concerted effort or organization that is making any headway? It makes me sick to hear you talk of these things--especially when I think of all the politicians here who would do the exact same if given a chance. This is my first time reading this forum, and the reality of what I have read of in the past is just hitting home.

Lastly, what is becoming of the guns? Are they being resold, or are the idealogs destroying the "evil" things. The humanity! I'll bet there are big gun wrecking events like the book burnings from the past! I'm going to hurl...

Mikea
I got some news for you and it's all bad.
The semi and pump buyback yes they crushed them on mass. Usually bent beyond use at collection point in press, then sent to where the pics was taken. Photo is courtesy SSAA
Australia does not have the hunting culture like the USA so if gun ownership was to go to a national vote (voting is compulsory in Australia - fined if you don't vote ) gun owership would be banned altogether. So our main orgainisation SSAA do a pretty good job. I think there is no chance of repealing the laws.

416,

Very sorry to hear this. It reminds me of an arguement against democracy--it allows the mass to rule, and often, the mass is ignorant. I had considered the compulsary vote in your country to be a good thing until now. What a waste of money and materials, only to deliver higher gun-related crime rate (as I have seen in studies, though obviously I have no first hand knowledge).

And I doubt if we have a much greater hunting base. Rather, I imagine that only the more motivated and knowledgeable get out to vote, leaving much of the mind-rotted liberal vote at home hitting the bong (I figure that the uneducated usually think emotionally, and that usually leads to liberalism).

On the other hand polls consistently showed 90% or more of the public thought the recent pistol stealback was a waste of time and was going to be ineffective as well.

The politicians still went ahead even with public opinion against the stealback.

But other than some shooters the general public didn't care. No new taxes were raised to pay for it, the previous stealback had excess funds still left over to steal addition firearms from the citizens.

You really have to start to question just WHY these politicians want an unarmed population.

That's easy Nitro,it's all about CONTROL!

Well at least you no longer have crime down under. I mean that's what it did right? Stopped all the criminals in their tracks! Makes it safe to walk down any street at any time of day! Boy, I sure feel sorry for you Aussies and Brits. Getting back to the original post, I would feel sorry for the poor SOB who was sent to collect any guns from me. It would make Ruby Ridge look like a church social.