In Texas etc. they have an assortment of exotics from Africa and other countries. Why not Australia? Just think of the money for guiding and the fun of hunting the extra animals! I am sure that how screwed up Africa is becoming, clients would be more likely to hunt in a more friendly enviroment.

.336 we have a very anti-hunting goverment and our general population is much the same, therefore it would never be considered, besides our Quarantine laws are so stricked, that exotic animals are a big no no exept for Zoo's.
But you are right that Australia would make the ideal country for most of Africas game....now if it was up to me.....

Australia has huge areas of unspoiled land that would suit African game animals perfectly. Some of our private cattle stations are four times as big as some of Zimbabwe's Safari areas.
But!! Australia is full of green animal rights tree hugging bastards that don't even want to know where there sausages, fried chicken etc come from let alone allow the introduction of new species for the perpose of hunting.

There is a place in nth west aus that has all sorts of exotics...even rhino`s i think ...Kerry Packers mate was the fella with the private zoo...hey and i mean all sorts of exotics/

366

Everytime I drive through the Australian outback I imagine herds of zebra, wildebeest, a giraffe or two, some springbok or impala leeping over fences. Sable or kudu melting into the bush. I think Tasmania would have made great elephant habitat! I'm not smoking any of that 'bhang' either (wacky tobaccy!).

It was a pity the European acclimatisation societies which introduced alien game animals into Australia did not choose some from Africa. The ancient continent of Gwondwanaland was made up of Australia, India, and at least part of Africa, plus maybe Antartica. Parts of NW Australia are so similar to parts of India or Eastern Africa. The boab and boabab trees are almost the same at least in appearance. Instead the colonials introduced mainly European animals which also did sometimes far too well (rabbits and foxes especially). I love deer and certainly the sambar is a great coloniser here without a lot of damage. We would have had major problems if African antelope had been let loose a couple of hundred years ago. Maybe some lion, tiger and leopard could have solved that problem .

There are African game species in Australia. A property owned by Warren Anderson in the NT (name?) had a lot of African antelope behind wire. Since then these have been split up and Mary River station has some behind wire. I believe they can be hunted there but don't know the details. Eland and maybe gemsbok and others I could guess at.

I'm not 100% sure of the history of this but I seem to remember Australia having difficulty with imported animals in the past. Seems like it was rabbits or cats or something. Anyway, they took over and caused major problems.
Importing animals is a tricky thing.

I'm not 100% sure of the history of this but I seem to remember Australia having difficulty with imported animals in the past.

Yes and here are some of those rabbits

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Australia is full of green animal rights tree hugging bastards that don't even want to know where there sausages, fried chicken etc come from let alone allow the introduction of new species for the perpose of hunting.

I understand your frustration! Try being a wildlife biologist working for a timber company in California, USA! Oh, did I mention that I hunt and believe in private landowner rights? I, and my family, are a minority in an area that wants to dictate how and when you do anything on your land that you pay high taxes on to own and enjoy! Ironic!!!!

I wish I had some good advice, but if I did I would have already started practicing it myself!

God Speed!

Remember the advert for Stirling ammo that used to be in the Sporting Shooter back in the 70's of one pro rabbit shooter getting 666 rabbits in one night all with one shot from "clean economical Stirling ammo"?

And at present, there is articles in the farmers mag., "The Weekly Times", showing rabbits are starting to breed up again.

ross

A few DSE signs cropping up around the place, "rabbit control is your problem"

Cheers, Dave.

The mid 19th century move to import exotic Afrian Game animals died out when it was realised Bunyips and Yowies would probably wipe them out before they become established in numbers.

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Originally posted by GreybeardBushman:
Remember the advert for Stirling ammo that used to be in the Sporting Shooter back in the 70's of one pro rabbit shooter getting 666 rabbits in one night all with one shot from "clean economical Stirling ammo"?

And at present, there is articles in the farmers mag., "The Weekly Times", showing rabbits are starting to breed up again.

ross

i do remember that ad as it ran for nearly every edition for a bloody long time...

I've been to Mary River station, they have at least, addax, oryx, zebra and eland. I saw all of those. They could hunt at least some of them if they wanted, but they cannot be exported. They also have lots of deer species, blackbuck antelope and bantang. To legally keep these species in the NT they have to keep them behind high fences.

Most of those animals have been sold off and the deer culled. I believe the station is returning to cattle producing with a bit of buff hunting. I could be wrong however.

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In Texas etc. they have an assortment of exotics from Africa and other countries. Why not Australia? Just think of the money for guiding and the fun of hunting the extra animals! I am sure that how screwed up Africa is becoming, clients would be more likely to hunt in a more friendly enviroment.

This can't possibly be a serious question...can it?
Well for one, issues of biological integrity. The Aussies have been hammered by exotics as have we with Aussie and S.American plants. I am sure they would prefer to concentrate on Aussie wildlife and not increase the pressure.
Two - costs of moving big game half way around the world.

Also, Africa being messed up and unfriendly? By using the term 'Africa' you are refering to the second biggest continent, 53 countries and the most diverse place on Earth - Botswana? Tunisia?

Last time I was in Kamloops it was just Tijuana - because they are on the same continent obviously. Yes, issues abound on the continent but generalisation is poor justification. I mean, you laugh at people that think Parliment buildings in Ottawa are melting, like most peoples igloos (except those lucky coastal buggers in Squamish who just get fungus).

Knowledge is power.

Bakes, I was there in July and it was still FULL of those animals and they were still building more high fences AND they just built a big new lodge for hunters.

I may have got confused with Tipperary station.

Posted 24 January 2006 11:19
I may have got confused with Tipperary station.

me too mate thats the name i couldnt think of,Warren someone? was in the shit over that joint

Gryphon:
Yes, that was Tipperary Station, Warren Anderson's private zoo!

Mary River is Kevin Gleeson's place, he has a web-site up for the hunting. Not many of the 'new' exotics are available for hunting yet, really only Blackbuck. The rest are already feral in ANZ somewhere.

Mary River Safaris

There is alledgedly eland wild in the Territory too and they have been there for 70 years. Probably a little inbred by now.

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Originally posted by kayaker:

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In Texas etc. they have an assortment of exotics from Africa and other countries. Why not Australia? Just think of the money for guiding and the fun of hunting the extra animals! I am sure that how screwed up Africa is becoming, clients would be more likely to hunt in a more friendly enviroment.

This can't possibly be a serious question...can it?
Well for one, issues of biological integrity. The Aussies have been hammered by exotics as have we with Aussie and S.American plants. I am sure they would prefer to concentrate on Aussie wildlife and not increase the pressure.
Two - costs of moving big game half way around the world.

Also, Africa being messed up and unfriendly? By using the term 'Africa' you are refering to the second biggest continent, 53 countries and the most diverse place on Earth - Botswana? Tunisia?

Last time I was in Kamloops it was just Tijuana - because they are on the same continent obviously. Yes, issues abound on the continent but generalisation is poor justification. I mean, you laugh at people that think Parliment buildings in Ottawa are melting, like most peoples igloos (except those lucky coastal buggers in Squamish who just get fungus).

Knowledge is power.

Oy! Cabron! Que onda pendejo? Tijuana es como Kamloops! Tu tienes cerebo?
(In English) Africa is one f****d up continent. You have the founders of Modern Terrorism in the north, to killers of women who speak out against water privatisation in RSA. Before you start to spew ignorism I do have have knowledge in power. Now that I know you are in Canada, look up Developement and Peace. Knowledge is power dipshit!

The other answer is obviously you failed to read the replies above your pathetic answer. The Aussies would love to start an African safari in Australia. Before you start getting idiotic and reply in an indecent manner, be advised it is not reccomended to pick an arguement or (heaven forbid) a fight with an Aussie!!!!! ( Think of a Pitbull, Crocodile and a Capebuffaloe combined)!! You are fortunate to have obviously have been put on "ignore". For, as luck is against you, there are Aussies lurking about in Canada (Commonwealth and all). Sonsabitches are as tough and stubborn as they can drink!!!!!!!

When we talk of "African animals" would it be out of place to mention the behaviour of certain 'recently immigrated citizens' who made a disgraceful show at the Perth cricket ground around about Christmas time ??? Yelling racial abuse at the black members of the South African Cricket Team.

Oops, politics!

kayaker,i am sure the question was directed at us aussies, and i believe we hunters in Oz would be in a better position to answer this question than someone living on another continent.
We have had many exotic animals introduced to Australia,over 150 years ago and we hunters have all those people to thank who did introduce them, otherwise the only thing we would have to hunt are roo's which have about as much trophy appeal as a woodchuck!
If only they had brought to our great continent the african big 5 and antelopes,that would have made this place a perfect place to live and hunt.

Nitro,
Ahhhh is that where the hubbub started about the cricket...thanks.

As it happens I am a Canadian as well. Though I am now living in NSW and I am a hunter.

It appears to me that "most" introductions of "exotic" species through out the world have gone wrong. (except for exotic dancers) There are of course some exceptions but it is a crap shoot. You never know how the new animals are going to fit in of effect the environment. Or negatively impact it.

If someone dumped some carnivore into Aus. and it started killing sheep and beef in a big way something unpleasent would hit the fan.

If some fine wild fowl was let loose in a place with no preditors and took a liking to rice and peaches and grapes the people around Griffith would not be pleased.

Oh and Canadians are plenty tough and not that different than Australians. We have much more in common with Australians than we do with Americans.

Robin

Well, I never meant for such a crass reply. I was simply refering to the issues of biological interigity inherent to moving animals (and especially plants) around the world. Its is a problem the Aussies and us, (and others) have major issues with in our respective countries.

I won't post any fired up, smart of unintelligent replies as the other puta pendejo who impressed us all with his ability to swear in Spanish has already done that and far exceeds anyone in the ability to post crass, uncalled for and junenile comebacks. My example was merely to illustate that to make generalizations about Africa as a whole is fallible due to the nature of its size and diversity. Just like saying all of NA is the same. One becomes disenchanted with the way Africa can be trivialised in popular perception..that was my only cause and the inflammatory insults were uncalled for. I was hoping to hear from Aussie hunters, some might have an ecological perspective on this, I didn't know boozing with Aussies in W. Canada had anything to do with this??
I have absolutely no idea where the comparison about Aussie 'toughness' fits into the debate...yes, I know a heap of folks from Aus and have met many in Canada too...thanks for the basic lessons on Commonwealth geography and astute social observations.

(regarding the cricket nitrox...is shameful. I am glad they no longer live in SA and feel for you guys getting those bigots...I know not one single SA mate of mine who was not ashamed by that!).

.366torque or whatever your name is, try be more civil. Calling someone a dipshit in an online forum without provocation doesn't garner respect, not that I am sure you care... a leugo cabron

I was reading you reply again and was wondering:

1) what about water privatisation in RSA?
2)where would I 'look up' knowledge and peace?
3)I am still unsure about why it us unlucky for me that there are Aussies in Canada. There are. Two of them should be meeting up with me in the next couple of weeks?

I don't quite get this one?

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I do have have knowledge in power

I am asking in a genuine, sincere fashion, to open dialogue, not off the handle response.

I feel the need to lay this one to rest, at least in my camp, before it becomes a juvenile pissing match....

1) In my original post my goal was to open dialogue with Aussies to get their opnion because of the state of exotics in Aus and the damage done. I realise that I seemed blunt in response to .366torques question. That I admitt and apologise.
However, the response was totally uncalled for.

2) I was trying to get the point across that I get frustarted when people view 'Africa' as a homogenous unit. Saying stuff like 'you have the original terorrists in the north' etc etc is like blaming someone in BC for Zapatistas is S Mexico just because they are on the same continent, or any other generalization. Obviously demonising and trivialising the places I love and are my home makes me feel the need to stand up for them, which is my next point....

3) It is completely fallible to to generalise about people based purely on their nationality of address. Saying that all South Africans are like this, all Aussies are like that, all Canadians are this, all Americans that. What we do ALL know is that that is rubbish. We are all types with different motives and norms.

4) The race comment, well, its unexcusable behavior on the part of those people but most places (in the commonwealth, which actually includes RSA and a number of other African countries)have had their fair share of race riots, residential schools, small pox scams, institutionalised racism, religion intolereance and many more be in historical, just recent or current. To label entire areas or nations as having one ethic , is of course obtuse and unsophisiticated. We all bare some degree of patriotism and opinion that we should watch in case it effects our rationality and we should arm oursleves with facts, not speculation or poor media (coercive) reports from wherever they may be!).

Thats all I have to say. Trying to debate through the filter of the web can misconstrue what you intend and result in malicious name calling and simpleton arguments. I am still keen to hear from Aussies regarding exotics as I am an ecologist/environmentalist by education and vocation so this remains a keen interest as does hunting/fishing in Oz and elsewhere. I won't be drawn into 'my address house is cooler than your 'cos I say so' bun fights.

Over and out....

If it wasn't for exotics we would have bugger all to hunt really. Some we could do with out, such as the cane toad. Some would say foxes as well but I love fox shooting so I won't say that I would love to see an eland walk past my sights while out hunting pigs....what about some warthogs?

If it wasn't for exotics we would have bugger all to hunt really. Some we could do with out, such as the cane toad. Some would say foxes as well but I love fox shooting so I won't say that I would love to see an eland walk past my sights while out hunting pigs....what about some warthogs?



bakes, aint that the truth.

Kayaker whether you choose proper English or ol' fashion cussin', you were extremely rude and short with your answer to my harmless question. Whether or not you feel the reply was just is not the issue, you call me down, I lose my temper it's that simple!
You obviously failed to read my replies as I told you to look up Devolpement and Peace, NOT knowledge and peace. If you continue to insult me I will always return your rudeness in the manner I find befitting your curtness. Should you wish to carry on then by all means continue with your pompous and arrogant ways.