I just don't see "animal welfare" and poisoning in the same light...

ya'll have as many whack jobs as we do.

I just read this article! CYANIDE! You have to be kidding me. What idiot decided that poison was a good idea? First poisons are non selective. Anything that comes in contact is affected. Second, I do not know about cyanide in particular but what is the build up and trickle down effect on the food chain and the environment? Everything feeds on something else. I of course do not know how the poison is being applied so can not make a call on it. Now my favorite statement from the animal welfare group paraphrased as (cyanide poisoning is more humane than being shot by a hunter). Really? Maybe you should watch some films of it. If there are not any as I suspect, go find a Nazi historical record. It is hardly humane. It is only cheap and fast. Sounds like the same mentality of the animal rights people here who said they would rather see a species go extinct than see one animal hunted. Damn if they are not getting their way on this one. So much for animal welfare. My rant is done now it is someone else's turn.

I wouldn't get too worried about cyanide. Its not a great large animal poison. If it was it would have been used here in NZ, and I'm sure it was trailed. Get worried when they start discussing 1080. Even then though with the number of native herbivores aus has, there will be huge issues around targeting the correct species without impacting indigenous species.

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Originally posted by Mike Smith:
I just read this article! CYANIDE! You have to be kidding me. What idiot decided that poison was a good idea? First poisons are non selective. Anything that comes in contact is affected. Second, I do not know about cyanide in particular but what is the build up and trickle down effect on the food chain and the environment? Everything feeds on something else. I of course do not know how the poison is being applied so can not make a call on it. Now my favorite statement from the animal welfare group paraphrased as (cyanide poisoning is more humane than being shot by a hunter). Really? Maybe you should watch some films of it. If there are not any as I suspect, go find a Nazi historical record. It is hardly humane. It is only cheap and fast. Sounds like the same mentality of the animal rights people here who said they would rather see a species go extinct than see one animal hunted. Damn if they are not getting their way on this one. So much for animal welfare. My rant is done now it is someone else's turn.

As that other animalarian, Adolf Hitler, believed: the ends justify the means.

I asume that these deer are good to eat???

So why not decide how many deer need to be removed from a particular habitat, and offer, for free, permits for hunters to hunt and kill the deer,that need to be removed.

The the meat is being used, not wasted. I am sure that there are some people in Australia that would benefit from free meat.

So allow hunters to kill what their family can eat, and shoot a few more to be procesed and given away to people that need he meat.

Let the Country pay for the processing of the free meat. That would most likely be cheaper than the costs of the Poison plan.

Close the parks to non hunters during the hunting season.

Everybody benefits...

If you Posion the deer, no Human benefits.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
I wouldn't get too worried about cyanide.

OK, maybe not a great animal poison but leaving that stuff around
per se is not a good idea.

We all know that we don't know who is in the bush, who picks up what
and who might chew on something.

If they want to use it, let them spread it around their garden if they think
it's OK.

I believe there had been some use of cyinide in NZ at some time in the past as when I was working on a high country station in the mid 60's there were glass ampuls of cyinide there (in a box in the woolshed) that had been for warrens of rabbits where the tit was broken off the ampul, and put into the burrow and the opening closed up.

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Originally posted by 505G:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
I wouldn't get too worried about cyanide.

OK, maybe not a great animal poison but leaving that stuff around
per se is not a good idea.
We all know that we don't know who is in the bush, who picks up what
and who might chew on something.

If they want to use it, let them spread it around their garden if they think
it's OK.

Cyanide is used every day in nz, and is freely available once you have sat a licence. The only deaths from it I know of are mostly self inflicted. Its a bastard on dogs, but most poisons seem to be. I would rather it than 1080 though. At least its not such a secondary killer.

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Originally posted by Von Gruff:
I believe there had been some use of cyinide in NZ at some time in the past as when I was working on a high country station in the mid 60's there were glass ampuls of cyinide there (in a box in the woolshed) that had been for warrens of rabbits where the tit was broken off the ampul, and put into the burrow and the opening closed up.

G'Day Fella's,

Von Gruff, the glass ampules you spoke of, could have been Lavaside (spelling ?), which is stored in glass ampules and was regularly used to poison Rabbit warrens!

Doh!
Homer

Glad to see the USA isn't the only the only bastion of retards in the world

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Originally posted by HomerOz:

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Originally posted by Von Gruff:
I believe there had been some use of cyinide in NZ at some time in the past as when I was working on a high country station in the mid 60's there were glass ampuls of cyinide there (in a box in the woolshed) that had been for warrens of rabbits where the tit was broken off the ampul, and put into the burrow and the opening closed up.

G'Day Fella's,

Von Gruff, the glass ampules you spoke of, could have been Lavaside (spelling ?), which is stored in glass ampules and was regularly used to poison Rabbit warrens!

Doh!
Homer

Could have been Homer, although I thought I remembered the boss saying it was cyinide, although that was 45 years or so ago, so memory being what it is I stand to be corrected.

Or amil nitrate, as an antidote to cyanide. It comes in small glass vials that you break and sniff.

If the Nazis' ampules as shown on film are any guide, you'd need to be quick. Also, if any Greenwich Villagers had dropped by, you might find your supply of amil nitrate a little low

I think my father used to poison rabbits with Lavacide. It came, dark and flaky, in big tins and Dad would spoon it out with a jar lid on a piece of wire.

Sodium Cyanide is used in NZ for possum control.

We get the odd human fatality or poisoning frtom time to time.

See this news item from 2009.

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Possum hunter rescued after ingesting cyanide
12:43 PM Thursday Apr 2, 2009

A Royal New Zealand Air Force Iroquois helicopter winched the man to safety. Photo / RNZAF
A Royal New Zealand Air Force Iroquois helicopter winched the man to safety. Photo / RNZAF

The air force was called in to help rescue a possum hunter working for the Department of Conservation who fell ill after apparently ingesting cyanide paste in Whirinaki Forest Park in the central North Island overnight.

Rotorua police were notified that the man was ill and in the park, 90km southeast of Rotorua, around 7pm last night.

A search and rescue operation by Rotorua police search and rescue, volunteers and Department of Conservation staff was launched to find the man and get him first aid.

The searchers tramped for several hours into the bush to find the man, while ambulance staff waited at the end of the road nearest the scene.

The man was located around 12.30am.

He was so ill he was unable to walk, and the extremely difficult terrain precluded him being stretchered to the road.

The Royal New Zealand Air Force was contacted and a helicopter arrived about 2.30am.

The weather prevented the man from being airlifted until 3am.

He was then transported by ambulance to Rotorua Hospital, where he remained in a stable condition today.

A Department of Conservation spokesman told Radio New Zealand that the man was on a monitoring mission which didn't involve the use of cyanide.

The man would probably have had to pick up and eat cyanide pellets used as rat poison to become ill from contact with it.

DOC would investigate whether the man's illness was a result of cyanide poisoning, and if so, how he came into contact with it.

If they are poisoning deer, there will be far more natives killed such as roos and wallabies. Judging by past experience from people in SA who have had a look in parks and gov't lands after poisoning campaigns. Good opportunity to get pics to expose the "in-human" treatment of poisoning vs sporting hunting.

I'd be surprised if it is cyanide being used for deer.I'd say the media have got it wrong.
the glass ampoules are larvacide, not cyanide.It's sort of like tear gas,buggar of stuff if you get it on you. We used to use it in a large pump that we carried about on a horse. We fumigated rabbit warrens with it.
The grey flakes in a tin would be cynogas.Put into a burrow which is then sealed,the damp air sets the cyanide off.

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Originally posted by DTala:


ya'll have as many whack jobs as we do.

Per million population probably more than the US, AND they have a political party that gets members elected.