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Some years back we had a big discussion and raffle for the winner to have an all paid for cape buff hunt using a 45/70 to see if it could be done efficiently. The owner of "Cold Steel" killed the water buff on Matt Graham's Arnhem Land concession with Matt being the ph. I saw it on Direct TV. Who will step up to the challenge to see if a cape buff can be taken efficiently with a 12 guage slug gun? | ||
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....  I do recall one Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel, bouncing a spear off an asiatic water buffalo while in OZ. also seen water buff ineptly shot with multiple broadheads from all frigging stupid angles, to slow death effect. and all under the watch of the guide holding his bigbore but irresponsibly permitting the situation to go on and on. Those same guides will pontificate on AR about the importance of calibre size and minimums for DG, but totally contradict themselves by what they actually allow in the field. There are people who claim bigger is better, and that .375 is recommend minimum and/or marginal at best, but then allow their idiot clients to ineptly throw spears or ineptly fill buff like pin cussions with broadheads. | |||
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My good hunting buddy Gary Hall would regularly take water buff with a double barrel coach gun. I'll see if I can find some pictures later. ------------------------------ A mate of mine has just told me he's shagging his girlfriend and her twin. I said "How can you tell them apart?" He said "Her brother's got a moustache!" | |||
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Heck fire, let's go for a kill with a 22rf. No, I am not volunteering to be the guinea pig for this. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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12 gauge slug? You betcha, it will die with simple proper placement No different then old muzzle loaders in the old days, just get close and then be ready to run if needed Think " ADVENTURE " " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Sometime in the seventies, Bob Brister, one of the best shotgun gunwriters we have ever had, did take a buff with a 12 guage slug. If I remember it right, he was hunting buff (with an appropriate rifle!) in Africa and his wife would stay at camp and shoot birds around a nearby water hole. He kept telling her to keep a slug handy in case a buff (or something) would come into the waterhole. When his PH heard that, he told Bob it was a waste of time, as a buff was too tough to be impressed by a lowly slug. A bet ensued. Liguor was involved, I'm sure. So the next day they went forth and shot a buff with a 12 guage Brenneke slug. It died, with one shot to the lungs! At least that's the story as I remember it from thirty years ago. | |||
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It will kill elephant if you hit it in heart/lung Shotgun slugs have great force behind them I wouldn't make it habit, but it will kill anything handled and used properly " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Back in the late 70's I shot 15 - 20 NT Buff with the Russian solids that had a steel projectile encased in an opaque plastic sabot.The gun was a 12 ga Toz hammer coach gun. The steel slugs usually would pass through where the lead slugs would be a pancake stopped by the skin or bone. Both worked but the steel shot better out of this gun. John New Zealand DRSS 450 - 3 1/4" BPE Burning Nitro | |||
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I also remember this article. analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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A guy from America came over an Used a Hand thrown spear to kill a Buffalo.... shotgun will do it no problem up close, within 75m. | |||
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Some pics from Gary    ------------------------------ A mate of mine has just told me he's shagging his girlfriend and her twin. I said "How can you tell them apart?" He said "Her brother's got a moustache!" | |||
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I know of a case in India where a small Cardamom Estate owner shot a bull elephant with a 12 bore at 5 paces while it charged in very thick jungle. He had no time & fired from the hip - shot it in the chest - upwards & dropped the bull in its tracks while he got sprayed with blood. Happened in the 70s. My dad shot 2 tigers with 12 bore Eley ball ammo in the 1950s. I think some of the more modern ammo used softer alloys that gave poor penetration. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Serial Troll A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt were you the PH on that hunt ? | |||
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Not much use putting putting Trax on ignore if you guys keep quoting him.  | |||
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Been done !  | |||
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Yes he was Sarg. Cheers, Mark. | |||
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The shotgun one? No, I am thinking it was you mate...  A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I cant help it!!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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exactly what I was thinking, thank you.... Birmingham, Al | |||
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I thought that might be the case, don't know what Mark was thinking ! Well that Buff died real quick with a excellent shot from Lynn & no one had to hold fire while it expired !! | |||
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He's just confused probably. Good times with Lynn eh!!  Pleased it all worked-out OK for everyone.A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I may as well take him off then; even though I know I'm going to regret it. | |||
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Hi Mike, Hope that Old girl is still good there ? Cheers ! | |||
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Sometimes I heard her crying at night, all sad and lonely-like. I introduced her to an old feller named Ross and now she giggles like a school-girl. Don't know exactly what to make of that, but they're quite an item and not acting their age at all. | |||
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Weird Canadians, inc Ross. Hope he wears protection. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Just G96, it doubles as cologne. Chicks dig it. | |||
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Don't mind me....... Cheers, Mark. | |||
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Umm, to drop the giggles and love advice .... (anyway Hoppes is much better cologne, with Ballistol just behind) SA Magnum mag May 2014 has an article by Gregor Woods talking about hunting with slugs. a) Someone called Norman Crooks from Zim backed up 2 brothers on a hunt where he dropped a buffalo with a 12ga slug broke the shoulder bone on entry, a rib going in, the heart, a rib going out and lodged under the skin on the far side. b) Alan Walker shot and killed 2 forest elephant in the Congo basin with one slug each. One a shoulder shot, one a side brain shot.Forest elephant are much smaller than the usual savanna elephant, of course. Gregor does NOT advocate the use of slugs for buffalo and elephant, merely relating that it has been done. -- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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I know Norman a bit ... hadnt heard that story but it doesnt surprise me a bit!!! He crazy man!!A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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