I have been basing my .416 load data on Nicks "Blue covered edition" with AR2209 going from 98gr to 108gr..................his new edition runs 94gr to 98gr of same powder, I have just loaded a dozen Barnes X bullets given to me by .416sw to try and went with 99gr of AR2209 (using my edition) thinking that it is only 1 gr over the miniumum................turns out it's one grain over max for his new edition and it is a Barnes X !! I amthinking it will still be right as his new Rigby loadings are skewed towards the traditional ballistics of the .416 Rigby but we know that with good Normas Brass it aint that far off the .416 Weatherby.

For those Aussies with .416 Rigby's whats your take on this ??

cheers pc.

PC,
I dont have a 416Rigby but have always felt that Uncle Nicks loads are indeed inclined towards traditional ballistics. If it makes you feel better I've got load data from Greg Matthews published in ASJ (1991) that took a 400gr Hornady to 103.0gr in a Ruger M77 Magnum.
Haven't played with Barnes projectiles but is a reduction of 4.0gr enough in what is a very long projectile compared to a conventional projectile?? I assume your loading a long COL and using all the space the CZ magazine affords? That'll buy you some leeway too.
Cheers...
Con

Con,

was not to much to play with or the bullet gets stuckin the lands so there only slightly longer than my taipan and woodleigh loads 3.698" V 3.703" if I recall correctly.....................it certainly isn't a load that will blow anyone up I don't believ just worrying that Nicks new edition vary's so much.

PC,
Like I said no experience with the 416Rigby, but if a longer projectile is seated to the same COL as a shorter, then that excess length has to go into the case. That will jack up pressures. How about doing a comparison with 416Weatherby load data?
Cheers...
Con

just a thought PC maybe Nick is using Hodgson's data like ADI?

smlekid,
Some of the loads also seem sourced from A-Square, like the 470 Capstick for example. Always wondered how they could do it without referencing the source, given Copyright laws.
Cheers...
Con

I've never even bothered buying Uncle Nicks reloading manuals because there is no way he can vouch for all the loads in that manual. I like to know that the data I base my reloading on is from a known source, that is identifited and where the loads have been tested correctly.

Ditch his manual, or relegate it to the status of a secondary source of data, and get yourself a REAL reloading manual or two.

Con that kinda opens a tin of worms doesn't it
I have noticed how much the loads in newer loading manuals have dropped in the cartridges I load for the 6.5x55 Swede ia a good example compare the latest ADI book with the last few and see how much difference there is
Hogdons must be scared someone will blow up there M96/M38 (I'd be happier using these than a Spanish '98)

Con load is still wway under .416 Weatnerby starting load of 105gr of AR2209...........................this gives me a little breathing space I feel.

I have the Nosler manual and speer manual as well, and the ADI manual.

quote:

I've never even bothered buying Uncle Nicks reloading manuals because there is no way he can vouch for all the loads in that manual. I like to know that the data I base my reloading on is from a known source, that is identifited and where the loads have been tested correctly.

Ditch his manual, or relegate it to the status of a secondary source of data, and get yourself a REAL reloading manual or two.

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What a load of crap, How would you know what his data is like if you have never bothered to buy one of his manuals ?????

I have 4 of Nicks Reloading manuals, which I consider the best source of data avaliable and would reccomend them to anyone, particularly those who use ADI powders.

If previous - Australian- posters do not like Harvey's manual, which would certainly at face value appear to be the most relevant to Australina handloading given reloaders ability to source ADI poweders- what do you recommend and advise if you have found measurable differences between the "non Harvey "references and , I assume , American reloading guides.
Do the Hornady and Lyman manuals have references for the ADI powders?

What is the "out of the closet" unsolicited addtion to my last posting?
Have nothing against gays, but am not one ( who readily admits they are?).
Doubters may be referred to my wife and 4 children?

Barnes X load with 99 gr of AR2209 has no pressure issues, fired a couple off today and was happy...........they also shoot practically to the same poi as my Taipan 400 gr load so thats a bonus !!

thanks for the input folks.

ADI has data published on their website.

That, and Nick's manual is where I start.

- stu