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posted 22 December 2005 13:08
I am suffering through summer , hot weather and no deer hunting. Having taken delivery of my first custom rifle , in 338 RUM , afew weeks ago I am not inclined to repeat the experience soon.
So to survive the boredom of summer I am thinking about a new sambar rifle. Taking all things in to account I have decided on a Ruger 77 which will need some tarting up. Bead blasting , a new trigger and either a replacement stock or at least a better recoil pad. The big question is which round. I am asking for opinions on 350 Rem. Mag. versus 325WSM .
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posted 22 December 2005 13:23Hide Post
Get a 350RM, At least you can buy ammo for it!
Have a look around and see if you can find either a Rem Model 7 or 673. You won't need to tart up either of these! If you are really lucky, you might find a Custom Shop Model 7 KS.
The Rugers are OK, but every one I have seen has needed some 2-300 $ spent on it, more if you want a better stock.

Merry Christmas.

Cheers, Dave.


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posted 22 December 2005 14:43Hide Post
I have just done what you have but bought a stainless Ruger .338 laminate............it wil;l shoot woodleigh 225 gr pp's under 1" after trigger, beding and floating........................you couldn't give me one of those shitty Tikka plastic toys, the Rugers for the money are a good rig, this laminate .338 has converted me, of the calibers you mention I would go the .350 rem mag.
 
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posted 22 December 2005 15:41Hide Post
I took delivery of a new stainless Ruger 350RM last week for exactly the same reason as Mark.Its currently at the gunsmith's getting the trigger lighten to 2lb , bead blasted , limbsaver pad fitted and the action smoothed up.The distributer , Acacia , said it was the last one they had so if anyone wants one they are going to have to try to find a dealer who already has one in stock.Im going to mount a Weaver Grand Slam 1.5-5x32 scope , im looking foward to seeing what it shoots like.
 
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posted 22 December 2005 18:03Hide Post
For the money, Rugers are a great rifle. hollis, how much will all that work end up costing?
I had one of the old style "boat paddle" stocked SS/Synthetic, in 270. Great rifle, shot brilliantly (3" group @ 200m), straight out of the box. Used it for years on the pigs in QLD, but it was a little light for Sambar. JMHO.
Moved on to a 338 in the same type of rifle. Now that sure got my attention when it went off! Changed the stock to a laminate, fitted a decent recoil pad and, $450 later, the ouch went away. This one also shot tiny groups, even better than the 270. But heavy, so when the chance presented itself, I switched to a Rem Model 7 KS in 350. Never looked back. Light enough to carry all day, more than enough 'oomph' for the biggest stag.
Ammo can be a pain, it is a lot easier to find 338 than it is to find 350, if that is important to you.
I think that Peter at Adventure Camping in Wangaratta may still have a Ruger in 350 on the shelf, he did have a 673 and a Model 7 KS. Elks also did have a Ruger in 350, and a 673.
Whichever one you get, I reckon you will have fun with it, it's a great round.

Merry Christmas.

Cheers, Dave.


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posted 22 December 2005 23:39Hide Post
I've also got the Ruger 350RemMag and will eventualy set it up like hollis. But be warned. Neither Horsley, O'Reillys, Cleavers, Rebel, or Vic City has ammunition or cases at the moment. I'll need to take a drive to Wangaratta before New Years. Raytrade is also out and the next shipment is February 2006, if we're lucky. My one box of factory will have to do for awhile. On the bright side ... my ring around located 2 packets of 225gr NPs at the old price Big Grin
Cheers...
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posted 23 December 2005 10:56Hide Post
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how much will all that work end up costing

Im having the work done by Bob DE Vries , all up it will cost $250 , but l supplied the limbsaver that l bougth at McDonalds gunshop for about $70.The gun will end up costing about
$1100 all up plus scope.I managed to find four box's of ammo for it so that will keep me going till Raytrade get some more in.
 
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posted 23 December 2005 14:51Hide Post
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Originally posted by hollis:
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how much will all that work end up costing

Im having the work done by Bob DE Vries , all up it will cost $250 , but l supplied the limbsaver that l bougth at McDonalds gunshop for about $70.The gun will end up costing about
$1100 all up plus scope.I managed to find four box's of ammo for it so that will keep me going till Raytrade get some more in.


That price is good, did it include a new stock? Or did Bob work with the factory stock?
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the Rugers are too shiny (in need of bead blasting?)out of the box?

Merry Christmas.

Cheers, Dave.


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posted 23 December 2005 15:24Hide Post
Thats using the factory stock , l think the current Ruger stocks aren't bad for a cheap rifle.Its not just you who thinks Rugers are to shiny , l cant understand why they dont take care of this 'problem' at the factory , l mean how much extra could it cost?
 
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posted 23 December 2005 16:26Hide Post
Dunno, when you consider that it is only 25 - 30 $ AUD to get them done on a one off basis, how much would it cost to do them in bulk?

Merry Christmas.

Cheers, Dave.


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posted 23 December 2005 16:40Hide Post
Thanks for the replies fella's. I am fixed on the Ruger. I already have 3 and od like them. The extra work does'nt bother me as it will be easier and a lot cheaper than building the 338 RUM.
I still like the sound of the 325WSM with a 220gn Woodleigh. It sounds like ammunition will be difficult for both rounds but I would aim to buy 500 cases when they are available. That should last me a lifetime.
The stock I would like is the Borden with realtree camo. I have always bead blasted my stainless Rugers.
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posted 23 December 2005 16:49Hide Post
Peter at Wangaratta has (had) several packets of new Rem factory brass, maybe worth giving him a ring?

Merry Christmas.

Cheers, Dave.


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posted 24 December 2005 01:59Hide Post
who does the bead blasting for $20-$30 ??
 
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posted 24 December 2005 13:26Hide Post
Still no person in favor of the 325 WSM with a 220 gn Woodleigh for a sambar rifle.
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posted 24 December 2005 15:32Hide Post
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Originally posted by mark smith:
Still no person in favor of the 325 WSM with a 220 gn Woodleigh for a sambar rifle.
Mark


Never having seen one, much less shot one, I cannot comment on it, except to say, that on paper it loses out to the 338, and the 350.
To me it seems like a sort of 'super' 300 WSM?
Dunno, I guess time will tell.

Merry Christmas.

Cheers Dave.


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posted 24 December 2005 23:34Hide Post
I've got some of the new 220gr PP Woodleigh 325Win (8mm)projectiles sitting infront of me. They are long, very long, equal to the 310gr .35cal projectiles. How the 325Win will take them will be interesting to see as they will need to be seated quite deeply. Given a choice between the 325Win and 350RemMag, I'd take the .35 personally.
Cheers and Merry Christmas!
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posted 25 December 2005 13:02Hide Post
Thanks Con that measurement of the 220 PP is a big thing against the 325 WSM. Do you have a measurement for a 350 cal. projectile in 250gn.
The 350 Rem Mag is looking more like the choice.
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posted 28 December 2005 23:03Hide Post
Mark,
Just got home ... the Woodleigh 250gr RN measures 1.138", its cannelure is about 0.4" leaving 0.738" forward of the cannelure. Given the 350RM case length of 2.15" (I trimmed a little) that works out to an OAL of 2.88", which should be workable in the Ruger but not a Rem673. The Woodleigh 220gr (8mm) for comparison goes 1.328" in length.
Cheers...
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posted 29 December 2005 01:23Hide Post
Interesting - it would appear that the WSMs are probably at their best around 270 - 300 WSM and that anything bigger really deserves a slightly longer case than the current.

One can see why Winchester did not produce the 338WSM with the long projectiles in that caliber.
 
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posted 30 December 2005 08:52Hide Post
MLG,
Winchester introduced the WSMs with the intent to match current "standard length" magnum cases. So the 300WSM was to match the 300WinMag, the 7mmWSM to match the 7mmRemMag. The 270WSM is an oddity as is the 325WSM as there are no direct comparisons. I feel Winchester goofed in not releasing a 35WSM, premium 180gr/200gr/225gr are already on offer and the .35s are short and squat. But .35 seems to be the kiss of death. For what its worth, the 8mm 220gr Woodleigh at 1.3" length, seated one caliber deep into a 2.1" WSM case should still fit in a Winchester's magazine.
Cheers...
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posted 30 December 2005 12:51Hide Post
Thanks for those measurements Con. It sounds like Woodleigh should bring out a round nose 220gn 8mm.
Funnily the proprietor of my favourite gunshop , McDonalds in Footscray told me I don't need another rifle. What would he know.
If I remember correctly Con you have recently bought a 350 Rem Mag. How is it going ?
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posted 30 December 2005 23:42Hide Post
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I feel Winchester goofed in not releasing a 35WSM, premium


Con,

Thinking about that your probably right - added to that is the American aversion to anything in 8mm. It will be interesting to see how the 325wsm goes.
 
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posted 31 December 2005 00:31Hide Post
Mark,
Woodleigh has a 220gr RN in the 8mm as well as a 200gr and 250gr RN, but impact velocities are relatively low for an 8mm magnum. The new 200gr and 220gr PPs fill out their range nicely, and the impact velocities are where they need to be as well; 1900fps to 2900fps. My 350RM is still untried as I only received cases yesterday, loading them up today as it's too hot to leave the house!
I still feel that between the 325WSM and 350RemMag, the Ruger S/S in 350RemMag is the nicer option. Another bonus if you wanted to be different is, its only a rechamber away from a 35WSM Big Grin
Cheers and best wishes for the New Year...
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posted 01 January 2006 06:36Hide Post
Happy New Year Con. Keep us informed about your experience with the 350 Rem. Mag. There is still plenty of time for me to buy one and have it ready for sambar season.
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posted 01 January 2006 07:45Hide Post
Mark

I believe they have all been sold ? - however I was told the Queensland agents are getting more hopefully in the New Year.

I am also thinking of one.
 
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posted 03 January 2006 14:33Hide Post
MLG you and Con are going to talk me into another rifle. There is no doubt the factory route is much easier than the custom route.
2006 should be a better sambar season for me , less distractions and with 10 weeks annual leave I am spending at least 2 weeks after sambar.
Mark
 
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