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Originally posted by Bakes:
Hunting has changed and if a guy wants to take a chopper up a mountain to save him the walk so be it. Its just a form of transport. Its like me taking my car to my hunting places. If I want to shoot a pig from my car is that ethical?

No one is arguing or mentioned anything against using a chopper as a 'taxi' to get up the mountains. The argument is about shooting from the helicopter or spotting game and then getting dropped off to shoot the animals. You need to actually read the posts.

I remember you being very strident against people hunting behind high wire fences. Even heard you mention it in person.

Now you appear to support extremely unsporting practices of shooting game from a chopper and call it hunting???

Aren't you being a little bit hypocritical or have you changed your opinions/values?

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In Australia we spotlight animals all the time, is that ethical?

Actually in some parts of Australia spotlighting deer will get you into a LOT of trouble with the law.

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If everybody wants to talk ethics do so on another thread. This one is about a fellow hunter that has died.

Done.

A bit off topic,but i would really like to have a go at shooting feral goats from a chopper,12ga semi loaded with 00 buck shot,no it would not be hunting but would be a lot of fun

TP

I too wouldn't mind having a go at Kymberley donkeys or feral goats, if they were in great numbers still from the strut of a chopper.

Might get boring after a while. But fun for a day or two with an SLR.

However definitely not hunting as you say.

Of course I could shoot an "ass" and have that mounted as a "chopper trophy". Probably quite fitting .

Popping them from a chopper is a bloody sight better than trying to get dead and injured ones out from under a loaded truck or semi after one ploughs through a mob.

How would African game hunting by chopper be perceived in the eyes of the hunters of the world,there are many hunters that have taken their tahr and chamois from choppers so why not go for that buffalo or kudu from a chopper,whats the difference? If it aint kosher for M`bogo why is it kosher for tahr?

Feral animal shooting from choppers would be some fun to sharpen up reaction times and running game shooting skills but to condone the taking of true game species from a chopper...well anyone that does so is harvesting not hunting.

Did i see a pic of a green chopper elsewhere on these pages? Not saying another word!

Well I wouldn't do it myself BUT if I did I would be honest about where the animal came from, but did this bloke shoot anything behind a fence? He just steped out of a chopper and fell and all of a sudden we have a debate on hunting ethics .

I must be mellowing (or I'm tired)as I really don't care where anybody shoots anymore.

Anyway Ive been on to many nights shifts, going to bed now.

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Originally posted by Bakes:
I must be mellowing (or I'm tired)as I really don't care where anybody shoots anymore.

Mate, that's a bit sad! You got to get out and shoot something then. They must be working you too hard.

I think if you thought about it, and considered what you would feel like, sitting like some fat goose in a chopper, jumping out, shooting the animal, then posing for fictional hunting photos, you might think again.

I know I would feel incredibly ashamed to show the photos and have to lie about the hunt, and even worse if I had to look at the animal on the wall.

I think you would too.

(Why high fenced hunting? Because in a big property you still have to hunt, and if the game has been hunted hard, hunt hard, unlike someone sitting on their overfat arse in a chopper.)

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Originally posted by gryphon1:
How would African game hunting by chopper be perceived in the eyes of the hunters of the world,there are many hunters that have taken their tahr and chamois from choppers so why not go for that buffalo or kudu from a chopper,whats the difference? If it aint kosher for M`bogo why is it kosher for tahr?

Feral animal shooting from choppers would be some fun to sharpen up reaction times and running game shooting skills but to condone the taking of true game species from a chopper...well anyone that does so is harvesting not hunting.

Did i see a pic of a green chopper elsewhere on these pages? Not saying another word!

The African equivalent to chopper shooting in NZ is a diesel shoot from the jeep’s bakkie

Cheers
/JOHAN

I would like to try chopper shooting, pigs and such up here. But if you shoot a pig then you should be able to shoot, say a kudu from a chopper. I don't see how someone can say its alright to shoot pigs and donkeys from a chopper but "game" animals need more respect. After all an animal is an animal and they should all be treated the same. If you do knock over a big cape buff/kudu/deer/whatever, they hey take the meat/hide/horn and be honest about how it was taken.

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I know I would feel incredibly ashamed to show the photos and have to lie about the hunt, and even worse if I had to look at the animal on the wall.

If their honest about the trophy then hey, its their money. If they do try to pass it off as a fair chase trophy then they're only fooling themselves I suppose, and when they do get found out (and they do) then they will look like dickheads.

Yes mate I do need to get out again. With all that is happening I've got a month of night shifts to look forward to. Going fishing on Wednesday with my boss

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Originally posted by Bakes:
I would like to try chopper shooting, pigs and such up here. But if you shoot a pig then you should be able to shoot, say a kudu from a chopper. I don't see how someone can say its alright to shoot pigs and donkeys from a chopper but "game" animals need more respect. After all an animal is an animal and they should all be treated the same.

Mate

I find that attitude quite disappointing and sad.

However your change in attitude on high fence hunting means if you visit down here oneday I will take you to that SE place if you want .

But not with a spotlight, chopper or whatever unsporting accessory you might now favour.