Has anyone recently applied for a permit to acquire in NSW? Any idea what the current wait time is? The last one I asked for took over two months a couple of years back.

Also, what creative excuses have you all been using recently? I’m afraid with what I already have in the safe, coming up with a good reason for a new centrefire is getting harder and harder. I’m looking for some help here!

TIA,
- stu

Here in Vic the wait is about 4-7 working days. Sorry cannot help you with NSW timings.
Best reasons I have used to justify more than one centrefire in the same caliber is for use as a spare gun in competition. Since you are allowed 2 pistols in the same configuration for use in competition under the same premise, it seems to work just fine.
You could try; hunting at long range in open country, hunting game animals in heavily wooded environments, pest destruction (always a good one!), Hunting large potentially dangerous game animals, and so on.
The best one is probably the one I use here in VIC.
'Hunting and target shooting in accordance with the regulations laid down in the various, relevent acts concerning hunting and firearms ownership.'
That one never gets knocked back.

Best of luck with your application.

Cheers, Dave.

Thanks Dave. Some of those ideas sound good. BTW - NSW has a compulsory 30 day waiting period on the PTA. Last time I checked they didn't start processing the application until the 30 days had expired. End result a couple of months until the permit was in my hands. But as mentioned that was a couple of years ago.

I guess a follow-up questions as well. Has anyone ever had a permit request knocked-back, or know of anyone else who has had one knocked back? Any reason given?

cheers,
- stu

I had one knocked back while I was still posted up in Townsville. It was for another (spare) Glock 17L, for target use, as a spare gun for sevice pistol matches.
Since I already had 12 G17's on my licence (I used to instruct on firearms safety and "officer survival" (a polite way of saying, staying alive in a gunfight!) they wanted to know why I wanted another one not connected to the business.
Once that reason was squared away, the permit was in the post the same day.
Sometimes 'They' just knock your permit back and wait for a better explaination as to why you want another gun.

Cheers, Dave.

I've just put in two PTAs but several aquaintances, who have recently obtained PTAs tell me that the delay is around 8 to 9 weeks at the moment! A far cry from the regulation 28 days.

The other new wrinkle, which has not been widely advertised, is that PTAs will NOT be issued without proof that the police have done a safe-keeping inspection of your storage facility. If you have a safe keeping inspection certificate, then you need to attach a photocopy to your application for PTAs.

Where many shooters will come unstuck is that they have been inspected but not given a certificate. If you didn't ask for it they didn't give it to you - yes, it is a wonderful system we have here in the People's Democratic Republic of Australia.

I always give the same reasons on my PTA applications and never have a problem.

For rifles, I always say "To participate in club competition on approved ranges and for recreational hunting of game and feral animals". (I always put both target and hunting for every rifle - that way I have all situations covered)

For handguns, I always say "To paricipate in approved competitions on approved pistol ranges".

Stu, I used to work in a gun shop in Sydney, every time i sold a firearm, I usally filled out the PTA for the customer. On every single occasion (as long as they had recreational hunting as a genuine reason) i would put down the same reason.
B catergory= Hunting pigs and goats.
A catergory= Hunting rabbits and foxes.

Every time without fail!!! On some occasions 2 or more permits were submitted at once, same catergory, same reason , same customer!! Never had a problem.

BwanaBob, am I glad I read what you had to say.
I had the local constabulary at my place Friday morning, beacause I have just posted off a PTA.
Everything passed just fine and the boys in blue are always good blokes just doing their job.
I said to the Sargent, "You were only here 12 months ago, how long have the safe certificates been in place?. " He answered, "about 2 years, but we are so snowed under with paper work, we only issue the certificates if applicants ask for them."
How are we honest, law abiding citizens supposed to keep abreast of all these bloody new rules if not even the Police inform us?
Malcolm

So is it normal for the cops to show up everytime someone lodges a PTA?

Stu, I posted off mt PTA and several days later read what BwanBob said. I then rang my local Licensing Sargent and asked him to come and inspect my safe as I don't have a certificate stating my gunsafe complies,
although it was inspected and passed only 12 months earlier. He checked the serial numbers on all of my rifles while he was present. I will post off a copy of my certificate so my PTA is not held up in any way.
The sargent mentioned that anytime a person changes address the safe should be reinspected and a new certificate issued.
In future, every time I apply for a PTA I will now include a copy of my certificate
Malcolm

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Originally posted by Stu C:
So is it normal for the cops to show up everytime someone lodges a PTA?

No, they will not turn up just because you have lodged a PTA but if you do not have a PTA certificate, then you will need to arrange for them to come out, do the inspection and issue you with a certificate - otherwise, you will not be able to take delivery any more firearms!

I think you guys know where this is heading. You will be reduced to nothing in due course by sheer weight of paperwork, fees, delays and other persecutions. The problem is you in the outlying British world don't have the tradition of personal arms that Americans do nor the Consitutional guarantees. And with us, if there are whores in the legislatures and on the benches even that may not work. It does require numbers and political action to fight back. Your enemies are also the media who represent militant twittery.

In Mayor Daley's whorehouse of Chicago and in surrounding Cook County where he is able to exert a certain amount of poisonous influence, we find/found the following: Persecution of all city gun dealerships so that there are almost none except those selling to cops. One in the city was subject to idiotic City Democratic mob picketing which got on newscasts. That guy sold the place, moved to an adjacent suburb and apparently was given access to offical contracts as compensation. They are essentially police-only.

Cook county has a useless and redundant $500 dealer fee. The whore Daley tried to get the Illinois State Police to run inspections in the county but they wanted nothing to do with this waste of time. Pistols cannot be registered and all other functional arms must be and re-registered every year with new photos and a fee. In the County gun dealers can't be within a quarter mile of a forest preserve - don't ask why but the reason is to squeeze everyone in the non-city areas. I am told this could be successfully fought for about a $10,000 legal fee. You can't have a gunshop within a quarter mile of a school - this has been upheld initially on grounds that liquor shops can't be, either - an obsolete law going back to the days of wholesale drunkeness in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Ditto for "adult" businesses. The gun prohibition is pure geographic persecution.

Also there is a city requirement for a "deadly weapons" license. And you can't display deadly weapons to the public in windows or whatever. This is pure Irish paranoia and what happens to someone whose population never had a domestic weapons industry or a national government. They are, in this case, trying to deal with historical paranoia. Irish, Scotch, and English populations have no surfeit of fighting capbilities but that has been lost for various reasons whether in your neck of the world, or to a lesser extent, here.

I don't know what your psycho-cultural makeup is over there, but some pop-art public guerilla warfare is in order. I will leave it up to you to find out how to do that. I have my own meglomaniacal plan for political warfare in Chicago.

However I have my own one-man political campaign for Representative in Congress. This gives me protected access to the airwaves at a time when Americans are banned due to recent Federal legislation - an affront to the Constitution which was nontheless upheld by our Supreme Court.

All nations are being menstrualized and Americans as well. Our national flags will become menstrual pads with a red stripe down the middle with blood flecks serving as stars to differentiate nations.

One last thought. Wal-Mart, a world class mega-retailer, after being harrassed by Chicago and being forbidden to open a story in the city, cut a deal with an adjacent suburb to open their store just a block outside the city limits. Daley was pandering to the unions who complained about relatively low wages and an alleged lack of benefits. Also Wal-Mart tends to put a lot of smaller store with similar good out of business. So Daley went along with his mob of alderman and their union whores. Daley screwed himself. The 324 jobs listed as being available brought 24,000 applications - mostly from Chicago applicants.

I will ask Wal-Mart, which does handle guns and ammunition, to consider running ads saying "BUY YOUR GUNS AT WAL-MART". If they don't do it I will, starting with paper distribution during the March primary season, and later on for the local and national elections in Noc. 2006. I will have fun.

We have a similar thing here with what are called 'concrete greenies'. People who hold strong anti gun or anti hunting views, but never leave their townhouses to get out into the countryside.
They are convinced that they have the answers to all the worlds problems. And that everyone who doesn't share them is an enemy, to be attacked and destroyed in the public forums.
Fortunately, we are having some wins against these idiots, but only some. It will take a long time, lots of hard work, and lots of good luck (with politicians, you never know which way they will turn!) to bring things back to a commonsense balance.

Cheers, Dave.

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Originally posted by malcolm:
Stu, I posted off mt PTA and several days later read what BwanBob said. I then rang my local Licensing Sargent and asked him to come and inspect my safe as I don't have a certificate stating my gunsafe complies,
although it was inspected and passed only 12 months earlier. He checked the serial numbers on all of my rifles while he was present. I will post off a copy of my certificate so my PTA is not held up in any way.
The sargent mentioned that anytime a person changes address the safe should be reinspected and a new certificate issued.
In future, every time I apply for a PTA I will now include a copy of my certificate
Malcolm

Good plan.

Cheers, Dave.

On the other hand, where guerilla theater is concerned, you could pull a stunt the likes of which would go over big with the news media.

I remmeber the movie Kon Tiki when it came out around 1954 or so. It was shown in art theaters around the donwtown area of chicago as there wasn't much commercial market for historical anthropological real life films. At that time Thor Heyerdahl (sp) went on his long raft voyage from the Old world to the New World to prove that ancient European populations could have traveled to south America.

I recall the raft and a bearded semi-mighkit savage Norseman with bearded face manning his tiller or sail. Now let's update this. We suffer from a definite lack of manhood in the world which is partly due to the women's movement being used as a hammer to beat down men who won't fly the flag of proper maleness as no one expects or will permit them to do it.

Here's what we must do in the south Pacific which is otherwise known for its tribal culture of various savages and remote idyllic living (if you don't mind the crocs, sharks, cannibals, headhunters, diseases, rain, insects, etc). By this time most Americans (for example) wouldn't be aware of such ol' timey conditions as there is no education, popular cultural reinforecment, etc, and an overall pall of general cultural illiteracy, moral collapse, etc. Therefore anyone born in the last thirty or maybe forty years has no idea of how the world used to be and should be studied.

Nonetheless there are things graven in the hearts of man and this includes a subliminal knowledge of manhood and womanhood. Now as regards the problem of persecuted gun ownership let me suggest Australians and perhaps New Zealanders consider the following as a bit of guerilla theater, something which was popular in supporting the communist cause in the Viet Nam era, and which is continuing in America today in another form.

Let freedom-seeking Australian vikings leave the country in a Great Fleet of raftsmen equipped to make a trans-oceanic voyage. Their destination will be gun-besotted America where none of the usual socialist boogie-jive applies (in most places) to the aquisition and use of firearms.

With proper publicity abroad and particularly in Pornifornia, where they are legions of lewd wimmin (even of anti-gun persuasion) who would welcome seeing Real Men, the proposed fleet would launch and head for Free America.

The Nighkid sun-bronzed viking warriors would brave sun and storm fight off attacking squid and God knows what else with bamboo lances and axes, saving their precious guns and ammunition for the hunt in American lands. The fleet of sharkskin loicloth-wearing warriors would be followed by satellite and would be periodically seen by passing ocean traffic.

In due course the assembled fleet would "sail" into the California coast under oar and killer whaleskin sail power. Riding the currents and straining at the oars and tillers the fleet would head for San Fagcisco, the latter most in need of masculine conversion. A million wimmin and somewhat strange-lookin' wimmin would be upon the shores and the great bridge crossing San Fagcisco harbor to Oakland.

Hundreds of adoring shrieking females would cast themselves into the water and swim out neccid to meet Real Men. Tens of thousands of shrieking faggots would do likewise, swimming out to be ravished by the Pacific viking savages (they hope). How it would end is hard to say but it would be a Great Statement for freedom and manhood. It would also be a great TV gig and I'm sure a lot of the Great White Hunter types would wind up being very well cared for by a lot of rich grandmas. Definitely worth a try for the sake of God and Gun in the world.

Whatever the case a jillion American females would see the sun-bronzed Australian vikings debark upon the shore in all their naykidd glory- in loincloths, with sucker marks from giant squid, bite marks from sharks who threw themselves abord the raft, and whatever else laid seige from below.

F S, If nothing else you write a great yarn !

regards Morton

Stu_C,

Lodged on 20/12/05 received on 22/02/06, total of 64 days or 9 weeks plus. After I read this post I did send in a copy of the gunsafe inspection certificate & received the PTA about 2 weeks later.

Don't know if they would have issued the PTA without it.

I have heard from a mate in Newcastle that if you ring up the Police to re-inspect & issue a certificate they say basically we've already inspected & are too busy to inspect again. What a stupid situation!

Regards,
JohnT

Cheers John. I've got a note in my calendar to call the Registry after 30 days. That must be coming up soon. Luckily I won't be home till Easter and think I've given myself enough wiggle room so it should be waiting for me.

- stu