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Originally posted by shankspony:
And for all those who say, it doesn't do any harm. It absolutely does. because these guides who can take these short cuts and make huge money are not and do not consider themselves part of a nations hunting collective. Whether its steer buffalo, or fake red stag monsters, or Helihunting. Because they can do this stuff they have no interest in furthering game animal management as a whole. Or being part of a combined front to improve the hunting situation. Their only goal is stopping regulation or actions that prevent them making easy money.

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Originally posted by 30.06king:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
And for all those who say, it doesn't do any harm. It absolutely does. because these guides who can take these short cuts and make huge money are not and do not consider themselves part of a nations hunting collective. Whether its steer buffalo, or fake red stag monsters, or Helihunting. Because they can do this stuff they have no interest in furthering game animal management as a whole. Or being part of a combined front to improve the hunting situation. Their only goal is stopping regulation or actions that prevent them making easy money.

Yep. Lot of truth there Shanks. And these types cultivate influence and direct funds aimed to get their way.

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Well there you go. My first thought was high fence etc but then thought, Nah, benefit of the doubt and all...

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Well there you go. My first thought was high fence etc but then thought, Nah, benefit of the doubt and all...

Tony,

Your buffalo shot under normal hunting conditions is incomparable to a 50 inch one shot by a deranged idiot who paid $100,000 for the privilege of seeing his name in a silly record book.

Angus Murray, who I think is Australian, was sold this by another deranged idiot masquerading as a professional hunter, Jason Stone!

Like walking into a supermarket and buying a pair of shoes!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Personally, I like to know certain measurements. For example width of a buff. I don’t register things or score them since my 2nd safari in 1991.

I know Karl quite well. He was at my wedding in Florida . I have hunted with him and will do so again . I have not heard of this practice but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

What I question is whether these critters are kept behind a fence . That seems to be an expensive proposition to me . We catch and cut boar hogs all the time . They are immediately turned loose to continue in the wild . This would make a lot more sense to me .

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Larry, I have no problem with what you are doing, but why are you doing it?

It’s not going to cut the population down at all… the sows will find an uncut boar ( actually the other way around) and cutting the boar doesn’t help it become “atrophy”.

Just wondering why you are putting that effort in…

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Personally, I like to know certain measurements. For example width of a buff. I don’t register things or score them since my 2nd safari in 1991.

I know Karl quite well. He was at my wedding in Florida . I have hunted with him and will do so again . I have not heard of this practice but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

What I question is whether these critters are kept behind a fence . That seems to be an expensive proposition to me . We catch and cut boar hogs all the time . They are immediately turned loose to continue in the wild . This would make a lot more sense to me .

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Originally posted by the Pom:
Larry, in fairness to Karl who runs a good operation, particularly with his Banteng concession, the "bullock paddock" was set up by the cattle station owners a long time ago. It is a very large area with cattle fencing. Karl provides a service to those who want the enormous horns. I saw an American bring into camp a bullock head much wider than the Landcruiser. A very unpleasant individual he was too.
The buffalo in the film, Crocodile Dundee, was a tame bullock. His head is in the pub on the road east out of Darwin.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If someone knows how to post here, I’ll send some videos of us cutting them.

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Originally posted by the Pom:
Larry, in fairness to Karl who runs a good operation, particularly with his Banteng concession, the "bullock paddock" was set up by the cattle station owners a long time ago. It is a very large area with cattle fencing. Karl provides a service to those who want the enormous horns. I saw an American bring into camp a bullock head much wider than the Landcruiser. A very unpleasant individual he was too.
The buffalo in the film, Crocodile Dundee, was a tame bullock. His head is in the pub on the road east out of Darwin.

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Originally posted by sambarman338:
Sorry, but I can't condone castrating wild or feral animals and letting them go. To me that is inhumane and demeaning to a another male critter, without the justification of marking lambs and calves on a farm - a practice I was involved with in growing up on a 'ranch'.

Shooting game is just an extension of the realities of life on earth, and more humane than most deaths from predation. Castrating animals in farming is necessary but not kind, and arguably less justifiable when done to a mature animal.

Obviously, I'm not an animalarian but I see some merit in the old rule of 'do unto others as you would have them do to you'.

Feral pigs are a real pest and should be killed at every opportunity. Castrating sundry boars will not stop the sows dropping large litters; so, if you want more-tender pork, eat them and the piglets.

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Originally posted by TOP_PREDATOR:
Karl looks like a top Outfitter, his clients take some huge Pigs too.

Must get back to N.T with more food this time Richard AKA Scruffy